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Corsairawrawrawr
I, while sitting in math class doodling, doodled something similar to the Kusari shipline. And I thought, "Hey. I'm active enough here, I might as well try and contribute something to Discovery. And since I am no moddler and hardly an artist, I am merely going to put up what I have come up with so far, and possibly a concept art for a bit of reinforcement.

Hogosha "Hokosaki" Bomber.

Built by the Hogosha to combat the growing number of Outcast and Crysanthemum capital vessels, the Hogosaki will be the literal "Point of the spear". Utilizing a radical design, the Hogosaki forgoes all conventional weaponry to make use of a custom powercore built by the Corsairs. The new powercore has an increased capacity and regeneration rate, as it does not need to power small arms.

With a minimal forward profile, the Hogosaki is excellent in evading forward fire. It's long, tube shaped body, however, makes for reduced agility. Bearing no small arms, this vessel requires fighter escort. It will prove to be a valuable asset in the battle against Outcast expansion.


0/0 Guns/Turrets
Maximum Shield Batteries/Nanobots - 105
12,000 armor
Slightly less turning than all other bombers
50k Powercore
4k / sec regen
2x T , 1x CD, 1x CM


Pros:
High powercore and regeneration
Large B/B capacity
Two torpedoes
Slim forward profile

Cons:
No guns or turrets
Slowest turning of all bombers
No mines
Will be fighter fodder


If I can produce a sketch of sufficient quality, I will upload it. Until then, I will describe it:

A round, oval body is the chassis. The Kusari tails are on all four sides, the side fins starting mid-way on the chassis. These are thick, as they are the torpedo tubes. The top and bottom fins start at the front of the ship, and flow to the end of the chassis. The side fins flow back, to the engines.

Comments? This is a purely anti-cap bomber. No fighter with any amount of skill could possibly be double-SNAC'd by this ship, as even the heaviest VHF could stay behind it. It would add a bit of variety. And no, this wouldn't be able to solo anything with ease, because it's slow enough that any competent capital ship gunner should be able to hit it enough to keep it away.


Ghost of Boss
QUOTE(Corsair @ Jan 4 2010, 10:43 AM) *
Comments? This is a purely anti-cap bomber. No fighter with any amount of skill could possibly be double-SNAC'd by this ship, as even the heaviest VHF could stay behind it. It would add a bit of variety. And no, this wouldn't be able to solo anything with ease, because it's slow enough that any competent capital ship gunner should be able to hit it enough to keep it away.


This will carry two SNACs?

I'ma get one and raep anything in my way.

Also, please, don't make anything turn worse than the Barghest unless you really really have to.

It should have a good strafe speed though.
frozenballz
YUS. do this, give it the ability to fire 2 supernovas, and bring back 4.83. who knows, dustin might come back. the rest of us bomber whores will prolly have a field trip 1,2 ing everything in our way lol.gif
Ghost of Boss
QUOTE(frozenballz @ Jan 4 2010, 11:20 AM) *

YUS. do this, give it the ability to fire 2 supernovas, and bring back 4.83. who knows, dustin might come back. the rest of us bomber whores will prolly have a field trip 1,2 ing everything in our way lol.gif


"prolly"? You mean definitely.

Though, I gotta say, a SNAC+Nova is pretty close.
mwerte
QUOTE(frozenballz @ Jan 4 2010, 02:20 PM) *
dustin might come back.

do want
Zoey Sakura
I think it's.... not such a great idea.

It's open for imbalance, abuse, confusion, etc...


And the Hogosha don't need a bomber. The FA and Hogosha share their available tech, meaning the FA don't need a VHF, and the Hogosha don't need a bomber.


Simples.
Sead
double snac.. eh.. why not
Shagohad
QUOTE(Akurawr @ Jan 4 2010, 11:41 AM) *

I think it's.... not such a great idea.

It's open for imbalance, abuse, confusion, etc...
And the Hogosha don't need a bomber. The FA and Hogosha share their available tech, meaning the FA don't need a VHF, and the Hogosha don't need a bomber.
Simples.


Honestly, Akura, what isn't abused?

I feel that at least two guns, at least one, much like the Fafnir, would be appreciated. It would be pretty neat, though. Something PURELY used against transports and capships.
Dancing Lady
I like the concept.

It doesn't fit the Hogoshas, though.
pipboy
QUOTE(Dancing Lady @ Jan 4 2010, 10:33 PM) *

I like the concept.

It doesn't fit the Hogoshas, though.

I agree.

Hogosha aren't really killers like that. The Farmer's Alliance would be something more along those lines. Shoot first ask questions later.
Zukeenee
A nice idea for a bomber, but like the others have said, I don't see this as being a Hogosha ship. Makes me think that we'd get another surge in Hogosha indies, SNACing the hell out of any transports that still bring ore up to Narita.

Also, gun-less and turret-less sounds pretty cool. Although it might be interesting to give it just one gun slot or one turret slot. I don't know, I just think that would be neat, too.
Ceoran
/signed

Doesn't fit the Hogosha. And being the slowest turning ship around I doubt it would fit any Kusari shipline at all. Besides the only factions a superbomber like this would fit in would be the militaries, or criminals who are already designed for having bulky ships. But then again those latter ones already have their superbomber, right?
Ashes
QUOTE(Corsair @ Jan 5 2010, 07:43 AM) *

[i]Built by the Hogosha to combat the growing number of Outcast and Crysanthemum capital vessels,

I found a fatal flaw in your concept. #1 There are no Outcasts in Kusari. #2 Golden Chrysanthemums have no Capital ships.

As for the dual SNAC concept. Good luck with that, but I have a feeling the weather forecast for your crazy parade isn't looking very good.
Zukeenee
QUOTE(Nighthawk @ Jan 5 2010, 06:16 AM) *

There are no Outcasts in Kusari.


Tell that to the Tridentes we get all the time in Kyushu. Kusari seems to be a small part of the cardi smuggling route, and certain groups of Outcasts have taken that as an invitation to bring their gunships as far as New Tokyo at times.

No, we have our Outcasts. But I suppose the point doesn't matter here, since general opinion is that the Hogosha don't need this bomber, and the infocard will likely be rewritten anyway.
Colonel.Tigh
Hogosha Bomber yes, superbomber no.
Just make it more or less a clone of the GC bomber, fast enough, but larger than the other kusari bombers, and a bit weaker than the KNF one.

in the mean time i am happy with my FA Mama.
aerelm
Make it a Corsair Uber-Bomber tongue.gif
Afterall, Corsairs have best ships in Sirius (InRP) So a new Ship technology is a good idea to get closer to this fact.

I think 1 backward firing turret, 2 Torp, 1 CD slot is a good idea to wtfpwn some lolcast caps (and also lolcast non-caps biggrin.gif)
Corsairawrawrawr
Finished a sketch. Will scan in tomorrow.

The Hogosha are closely allied with the Corsairs. While I agree that Hogosha was a silly idea, it's too good a sketch to waste. tongue.gif

The sketch makes the thing itself look like a torpedo. While superbombers are bad, I retain my decision to make it one. But slightly modified- give it Barghest maneuverability and core- slightly higher power regen, because I'm thinking about donating this one to the Consortium.
Prysin
QUOTE(Shagohad @ Jan 5 2010, 05:24 AM) *

Honestly, Akura, what isn't abused?

I feel that at least two guns, at least one, much like the Fafnir, would be appreciated. It would be pretty neat, though. Something PURELY used against transports and capships.



relax.... if you really want you can kill fighters with jsut snac and nova..... adding 2 snac's is just EPIC


DO WANT
Corsairawrawrawr
The sketch is here. I'm rather proud of the result. Look, judge, and decide.

IPB Image
Zukeenee
Tube w/ fins.

So... which way's up?
Kelt
QUOTE(Akurawr @ Jan 4 2010, 08:41 PM) *

I think it's.... not such a great idea.

It's open for imbalance, abuse, confusion, etc...
And the Hogosha don't need a bomber. The FA and Hogosha share their available tech, meaning the FA don't need a VHF, and the Hogosha don't need a bomber.
Simples.


/signed.
Aegis
Has anyone else besides me realized that this bomber's power core and recharge are WAY to high for the Hogosha? 50,000 For the Power Core? That's only 880 LESS then the Rheinland Fafnir. And the recharge for this bomber is 1265 MORE per second then the Fafnir. We are talking this thing could take out Gunboats, Cruisers, and Battleships faster then a Military Ship. The fact that it doesn't have any weapons voids the point. Bomber weapons are only so useful. If you can double SNAC something as fast as this can you don't need any weapons.

One final note that all the ships that hogosha have that have Corsairs related to them were rejects from the Corsair's shipyards. They never made the Hogosha Custom Powerplants. And why would they? Why would they give a bomber powerplant that is more powerful then their own Praetorians?
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