(06-01-2014, 02:07 PM)RedEclipse Wrote: All capital ships are mistake, exception is only house-made bricks. I can't remember any case when zoner caps created alot of noise in house space in exception of ORI but it was so long time ago and never repeated. Also, if you don't like something, it's doesn't mean you should go on forums and ask for change and it'll be totally supprted, as this would cross interests of other players.

(06-01-2014, 02:07 PM)RedEclipse Wrote: So if you are looking for a "real" background of all ships - you don't have to aim on zoner caps, many other factions have them without a real background/reason.

(06-01-2014, 02:07 PM)RedEclipse Wrote: Lets destroy what have been built for years and start making new only to satisfy your feeling what's crossing "RP logic"? Maybe you should rewrite engine for Freelancer too, as physics is not realistic too?

(06-01-2014, 03:36 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Throughout this thread, I see the idea of "This does not fit, that does not fit"...

And the result always seems to be: "Delete this, curb that, disallow that..."

Sorry to say, but you are on a wrong path.

This game has not become successful because it was a realistic portrayal of what space-sim-pvp could look like.

It is successful because it offers attractive things. And as much as you seem to hate it: flying big capships and fighting in them is good fun. They offer a refreshing alternative to the silly fast snub pvp. Grinding to get and equip them keeps people trading, as their CAU8 is a nice money drain.

Condensed: The freedom to do many things is what makes Disco attractive.

When I see this thread, I only see "You can't do this"-lancer. "Restriction"-lancer and in the Zoner ID rewrite attempt also "Sanction"-Lancer.

Disco in my subjective opinion does not suffer from a few players who take a capship to a place where it should not be. It does not suffer from too small planets, nor from silly speeds. Nor from Zoners that should not have 100 Dreads, nor from 10 Bret Carriers, nor from Hessian Battleships or IMG Battlecruisers. It does not even suffer from the 10 % interactions that go bad because of unrealistic things.

If you cannot ignore these unfitting things ( just kill it, or deal with it in any way), you are likely not fit to play here because there are soooo many more annoying things that happen muuuuch more often and that need much more attention and fixing.

Seriously, the "let's get rid of caps of factions that do not deserve it, because 2 % of the community yell for it" trend will not get anywhere. It will not be done because throwing out good content is never a good way to increase attractivity. And hey, we are just picking up in numbers again.

Most of this here is counterproductive, in my opinion.

If you want to change anything, then start adapting the lore to fit what is going on on the server. Change a few letters in a few infocards, instead of dumping good content that makes the mod attractive to make the on server reality be like the letters of an infocard. Much easier. Much faster. And we would end with less discrepancy between "ideal FL universe as in infocards" and on server reality.

Ps: Lyth, get yourself a Junker cap. You will see... you'll love it! Something like the small Zoner Cruiser...

(06-01-2014, 03:36 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Throughout this thread, I see the idea of "This does not fit, that does not fit"...

And the result always seems to be: "Delete this, curb that, disallow that..."

Sorry to say, but you are on a wrong path.

This game has not become successful because it was a realistic portrayal of what space-sim-pvp could look like.

It is successful because it offers attractive things. And as much as you seem to hate it: flying big capships and fighting in them is good fun. They offer a refreshing alternative to the silly fast snub pvp. Grinding to get and equip them keeps people trading, as their CAU8 is a nice money drain.

Condensed: The freedom to do many things is what makes Disco attractive.

When I see this thread, I only see "You can't do this"-lancer. "Restriction"-lancer and in the Zoner ID rewrite attempt also "Sanction"-Lancer.

Disco in my subjective opinion does not suffer from a few players who take a capship to a place where it should not be. It does not suffer from too small planets, nor from silly speeds. Nor from Zoners that should not have 100 Dreads, nor from 10 Bret Carriers, nor from Hessian Battleships or IMG Battlecruisers. It does not even suffer from the 10 % interactions that go bad because of unrealistic things.

If you cannot ignore these unfitting things ( just kill it, or deal with it in any way), you are likely not fit to play here because there are soooo many more annoying things that happen muuuuch more often and that need much more attention and fixing.

Seriously, the "let's get rid of caps of factions that do not deserve it, because 2 % of the community yell for it" trend will not get anywhere. It will not be done because throwing out good content is never a good way to increase attractivity. And hey, we are just picking up in numbers again.

Most of this here is counterproductive, in my opinion.

If you want to change anything, then start adapting the lore to fit what is going on on the server. Change a few letters in a few infocards, instead of dumping good content that makes the mod attractive to make the on server reality be like the letters of an infocard. Much easier. Much faster. And we would end with less discrepancy between "ideal FL universe as in infocards" and on server reality.

Ps: Lyth, get yourself a Junker cap. You will see... you'll love it! Something like the small Zoner Cruiser...

(06-01-2014, 03:36 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Throughout this thread, I see the idea of "This does not fit, that does not fit"...

And the result always seems to be: "Delete this, curb that, disallow that..."

Sorry to say, but you are on a wrong path.

This game has not become successful because it was a realistic portrayal of what space-sim-pvp could look like.

It is successful because it offers attractive things. And as much as you seem to hate it: flying big capships and fighting in them is good fun. They offer a refreshing alternative to the silly fast snub pvp. Grinding to get and equip them keeps people trading, as their CAU8 is a nice money drain.

Condensed: The freedom to do many things is what makes Disco attractive.

When I see this thread, I only see "You can't do this"-lancer. "Restriction"-lancer and in the Zoner ID rewrite attempt also "Sanction"-Lancer.

Disco in my subjective opinion does not suffer from a few players who take a capship to a place where it should not be. It does not suffer from too small planets, nor from silly speeds. Nor from Zoners that should not have 100 Dreads, nor from 10 Bret Carriers, nor from Hessian Battleships or IMG Battlecruisers. It does not even suffer from the 10 % interactions that go bad because of unrealistic things.

If you cannot ignore these unfitting things ( just kill it, or deal with it in any way), you are likely not fit to play here because there are soooo many more annoying things that happen muuuuch more often and that need much more attention and fixing.

Seriously, the "let's get rid of caps of factions that do not deserve it, because 2 % of the community yell for it" trend will not get anywhere. It will not be done because throwing out good content is never a good way to increase attractivity. And hey, we are just picking up in numbers again.

Most of this here is counterproductive, in my opinion.

If you want to change anything, then start adapting the lore to fit what is going on on the server. Change a few letters in a few infocards, instead of dumping good content that makes the mod attractive to make the on server reality be like the letters of an infocard. Much easier. Much faster. And we would end with less discrepancy between "ideal FL universe as in infocards" and on server reality.

Ps: Lyth, get yourself a Junker cap. You will see... you'll love it! Something like the small Zoner Cruiser...

(06-01-2014, 03:36 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Throughout this thread, I see the idea of "This does not fit, that does not fit"...

And the result always seems to be: "Delete this, curb that, disallow that..."

Sorry to say, but you are on a wrong path.

This game has not become successful because it was a realistic portrayal of what space-sim-pvp could look like.

It is successful because it offers attractive things. And as much as you seem to hate it: flying big capships and fighting in them is good fun. They offer a refreshing alternative to the silly fast snub pvp. Grinding to get and equip them keeps people trading, as their CAU8 is a nice money drain.

Condensed: The freedom to do many things is what makes Disco attractive.

When I see this thread, I only see "You can't do this"-lancer. "Restriction"-lancer and in the Zoner ID rewrite attempt also "Sanction"-Lancer.

Disco in my subjective opinion does not suffer from a few players who take a capship to a place where it should not be. It does not suffer from too small planets, nor from silly speeds. Nor from Zoners that should not have 100 Dreads, nor from 10 Bret Carriers, nor from Hessian Battleships or IMG Battlecruisers. It does not even suffer from the 10 % interactions that go bad because of unrealistic things.

If you cannot ignore these unfitting things ( just kill it, or deal with it in any way), you are likely not fit to play here because there are soooo many more annoying things that happen muuuuch more often and that need much more attention and fixing.

Seriously, the "let's get rid of caps of factions that do not deserve it, because 2 % of the community yell for it" trend will not get anywhere. It will not be done because throwing out good content is never a good way to increase attractivity. And hey, we are just picking up in numbers again.

Most of this here is counterproductive, in my opinion.

If you want to change anything, then start adapting the lore to fit what is going on on the server. Change a few letters in a few infocards, instead of dumping good content that makes the mod attractive to make the on server reality be like the letters of an infocard. Much easier. Much faster. And we would end with less discrepancy between "ideal FL universe as in infocards" and on server reality.

Ps: Lyth, get yourself a Junker cap. You will see... you'll love it! Something like the small Zoner Cruiser...

(06-01-2014, 06:56 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: @Jack
The thing is though Jack, what kind of standards are we trying to set here?

Quote:Zoner caps in house space is ooc in itself, as they're meant to be explorers.

Quote: Having them in house since is not only silly, it also threatens their diplomacy. They can't expect to break house rules and still be friendly to the houses.

Quote: I don't want to delete the caps, only shift them away from where they shouldn't be.

Quote:If you believe we shouldn't be about restrictions, then why don't we let every faction mine everywhere with the same high drop rates?

Quote:This suggestion gives the caps a new environment to play in which in turn can stimulate the activity of other factions within the region. It's either this or, as I have said already and I am repeating my point for good measure, the houses will have to deal with them, which will have bad inRP consequences for the Zoner faction itself.

Quote:And no, I don't want a Junker cruiser for the Junker NPC faction. Why? Because before we know it people will start breaking house rules left, right and center. There's a much bigger axe to grind with Junkers than Zoners inRP, and they'd be kicked out the houses pretty quickly, messing up their diplomacy.