(06-21-2023, 08:08 AM)Shimamori Wrote:

(06-21-2023, 07:23 AM)Czechmate Wrote:

(06-20-2023, 11:18 PM)Shimamori Wrote: Tbh, so far for non-trading factions it is less of an incentive and more of another RP "duty". Establishing and protecting trade convoys is an activity hardly taking place even now with lots of trade oriented factions. I know it is an RP server and everything should be "open to your creativity", as you put it. But imho when the "deal" is much in favour of only one, i. e. trading side, there is also a big incentive to shut the deal down as a tedious matter and avoid all the hustle. When RP feels more of a duty rather than an incentive and as in the case with the OF system, when players realise they have to log rather they want to, it quickly spirals down to inactivity and burnout. A deal per se has to benefit both sides.

As of now, the system will organically benefit two trading factions dealing with each other. Beyond that? Meh. Additionally, many factions avoid becoming OF because of the hustle involved, and adding even more to it without adding anything of value, really, is hardly an incentive, imho. Like people said, re-imagining it for unof can be a good idea.

P.S. it is always better to criticise while offering something as constructive feedback. Yet, I fail to osee how to make the system as it is being suggested now engaging for the governments. Pixel empire building is an argument per se, but it also can be used against trade deals too, e.g. isolationism, protectionism, trade parties non grata, etc.

I don't see why it should - any side can trade? Why wouldn't e.g. Gallic Navy and Rheinland Military make a deal for ablative armor and haul it themselves if they so choose? Or e.g. GC- with [R] on their commods. I guess the "ownership" barrier comes into place then? The solution to that is below.

You missed the point I was making. Any faction can trade, surely. But what is the benefit for, say, KNF that I closely play with if, say, some zoners request access to plutonium, as Zentor had described as an example? We can follow your logic and assume KNF gets ablative armour in return (which given the scale and scope of zoner "economy" it is better to mass produce back home). KNF not being a trade faction, it doesn't need access to zoner goods for gameplay, not will it trade by itself. RP as a benefit? What RP? Pay us X so that for Y period of time you can get better prices for commodity Z? Imho, not a very appealing RP for a military faction. To get some perks like +x% of hull as the result of the trade deal is too much and will be abused, so I envision no perks. So, what's the point for KNF in this deal altogether? Surely, any side can trade just like you are saying, but why would they?

(06-21-2023, 08:57 AM)Shimamori Wrote: You do realise that people in non trade factions generally dislike trading? I traded for the sake of profit last time like in 2018 and have been indifferent to trading since then. Many people I have played together with feel absolutely the same way, especially when they have accumulated billions of credits across their accounts and already have like 3 Tokugawas, Tempests, and whatnot (hello Couden). Why would these people do RP about or engage in activities they do not find either interesting or rewarding, or facilitate the RP of others at the expense of their own time and efforts directed towards something they do not like? The very concept of a deal implies some benefit to both sides unless it is some kind of an ultimatum.