(01-15-2016, 02:37 AM)RicoValesquez Wrote: Recently within about the last year or 2, anybody with a Liberty Navy or LPI or LSF (even BHG or Corporation) ID regardless of if they are official or not or if they have any ranking or diplomatic powers bestowed upon them has taken it upon themselves to DEMAND that the official Junkers faction FR5 any criminal they see docking on a Junker base in Liberty. This has been a major problem for several reasons:

-NPC Junker installations are meant to be a safe haven for criminals in house space
-There is no diplomatic precedence set for who can DEMAND that the offender be rephacked
-The Junker faction for the most part has no reason to otherwise FR5 these outlaws seeing as how we are quasi-lawful and it has been a part of our role-play since vanilla
-The people that are DEMANDING that the FR5 happen are doing so hoping to cause enough of a commotion to get Junkers outlawed in Liberty which is something that cannot happen because of the very foundation of the lore of the game.
-If these were POB's it would be more understandable for this to be occurring

Any feed back is welcome, but this needs to stop and be addressed by server admins. It is happening way to much and is negatively effecting the game.

(01-15-2016, 08:44 AM)Durandal Wrote: Oh, this thread again.

You guys (yes Congress, talking to you) need to get it through your heads that this is a roleplaying server, and that there are roleplaying consequences for roleplaying actions. Damn right Liberty and any other lawfuls are going to ask you to FR5 outlaws docking on your bases, or fine you for it, or just shoot you outright.

It's a shame, really, because I see the Junkers as having a lot of potential as a really smooth niche faction who would calmly wave something like this off going "sure sure, we'll take care of it.." and then offer some sort of service as compensation for the lawfuls to turn a blind eye. (Maybe try supplying some POBs? You don't seem to have any trouble maintaining a healthy five or so in your own little chunk of Sirius). And then use the money made from those services to hire mercs to shoot the lawfuls.

If you can't walk the walk then don't talk the talk. You as a faction are in a very unique situation to roleplay your way out of just about anything, but here you are asking for admin protection on the forums and asking people to turn a blind eye to you so as to maintain the quasi lawful status you had in vanilla rather than trying to uphold it through your own actions.

(01-15-2016, 07:53 PM)FluffReborn Wrote: Aren't we forgetting that governments do not know about Junker, Hogosha and unlawful bases inside their territory? Just asking. However, I see hipocricy here.

When I asked about Zoner bases (in quite open area), criminals in there and why these Freeports weren't destroyed, I got frowned upon being said "lawfuls don't know about it"... So I got that as an answer.

But then, authorities magically know about Rochester, which isn't even in open space and is supposedly well-hidden.

(01-15-2016, 08:15 PM)Arbs Wrote: Its a wrong arguememt for really obvious reasons that is only legit for -some- bases i suppose. Example would be the hacker base in alberta or other things like that.

(01-15-2016, 07:53 PM)FluffReborn Wrote: Aren't we forgetting that governments do not know about Junker, Hogosha and unlawful bases inside their territory? Just asking. However, I see hipocricy here.

When I asked about Zoner bases (in quite open area), criminals in there and why these Freeports weren't destroyed, I got frowned upon being said "lawfuls don't know about it"... So I got that as an answer.

But then, authorities magically know about Rochester, which isn't even in open space and is supposedly well-hidden.

(01-15-2016, 07:53 PM)FluffReborn Wrote: Aren't we forgetting that governments do not know about Junker, Hogosha and unlawful bases inside their territory? Just asking. However, I see hipocricy here.

When I asked about Zoner bases (in quite open area), criminals in there and why these Freeports weren't destroyed, I got frowned upon being said "lawfuls don't know about it"... So I got that as an answer.

But then, authorities magically know about Rochester, which isn't even in open space and is supposedly well-hidden.

(01-15-2016, 09:30 AM)Laura C. Wrote: Majority of situations happen when the criminals are escaping and lead authorities/hunters directly to Rochester (or any other base) where they dock under their noses. So even if we would agree that exact locations of Junker bases are secret inRP because for example they are moved all around (and thus lawfuls should not camp there, that is really not right), it will make no difference for majority of situations this thread is connected to.

(01-15-2016, 08:18 PM)Loki557 Wrote: The problem with this is that various unlawfuls run to Junker bases with Lawfuls chasing them.

(01-15-2016, 08:20 PM)Laura C. Wrote: Or are you suggesting that lawful chasing the criminal which then dock to Rochester in plaing sight of him should pretend that the criminal disappeared without trace and that big base right in front of him is not there?