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Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - WesternPeregrine - 02-11-2015
Following the discussion of granting upper class Capital ships to the Exiles, some random readings on Wikipedia about aircraft carriers, and some newfound free time, I envisioned a new destroyer sized vessel for the underdogs in the Tau systems. The main reason why they (The Kusari Exiles and Gallic Council) get them and not others (BD, KNF, CR) is that they already have many worthy capital ships, and follow a different battle doctrine.
Kusari/Council “Imagawa”-class Light Carrier
[Background/Lore]
During the course of the war with the Bretonians, the Kusari Naval Forces understood the need for a mobile platform that allowed strike craft to operate in regions too far away from controlled bases, and that would enable the release of the Tokugawa-class Battleships for greater frontline actions. Officers and Researchers on the battlefront began collecting data for the creation of a new destroyer class light carrier, that could act as a command and supply ship for small wings of fighters and bombers.
However, the intervention of Gallia and the abrupt changes of the scenario in the Tau Systems prevented the collected data to reach Kusari, and the hastily brokered surrender to Gallia scrapped the need by the Republican Naval Forces of a vessel with such role.
On the other hand, elements of the now dubbed Kusari Exiles kept the incomplete designs, in hope they would become useful once again in their future plans.
The war in Bretonia raged on, and when the Bretonian forces unveiled their Invincible-class Carrier, the Exile forces recognized the potential of having a similar vessel for operations across the vast hostile regions in between their path home. Receiving access to the portable docking and anti-fighter weapon systems technologies, Kusari engineers managed to miniaturize the systems to fit their smaller vessel.
As the final piece of the set, they turned to their allies in the Gallic Council for the remaining capital class systems, and for the installations necessary to build them. The Council agreed, in exchange of modifications on the final design so as to accommodate Gallic technologies, and to make it usable by the Council forces on their own operations in the Tau systems and Gallia.
As per feedback of some people, it would be developed first a prototype edition (a SRP by the Exiles), and later on a production model when the Exiles acquired the means to build them.
Suggested guidelines for the ship creation
[The “Imagawa” is a destroyer sized capital ship (Some say akin to a combat liner), specialized in launching fighter/bomber craft operations deep in enemy territory. Is own offensive capabilities are below par of it’s own class, although it can defend itself against small contingents of enemy snubs.
It probably has the agility of a battlecruiser, and the speed of a destroyer, with an armor rating between those two types.
It has a decent powercore, but weak weapon slots, relying on it’s bomber wing to challenge other capital vessels. With a gunboat escort, it should be almost impervious to snub attacks.
-Can mount docking modules, and perhaps a jumpdrive.
-Likely candidate for the experimental “beam to me” carrier function, and jumpdrive beacon function.]
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Unfortunately, my skills are limited to the creation of lore, having no knowledge regarding Ship Design, or combat balance. Any suggestions critics, and assistance in developing and implementing this concept are welcomed. This thread is open for the discussion of the concept.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Pancakes - 02-11-2015
Where would the exiles build a Carrier?
Council in-lore barely builds capital ships. For most part they take captured/damaged Royal capital ships and work on their hulls to remake.
Regardless of that IMO exiles don't need anther capital ship - and same applies to the Council. Exiles should be given access to the new BC as part of the forces that still defect to their side, perhaps, or something in the likes.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Corile - 02-11-2015
I very much approve of another ship for the Exiles, however with the description you provided I don't think it would have much use.
Quote:specialized in launching fighter/bomber craft operations deep in enemy territory. Is own offensive capabilities are below par of it’s own class, although it can defend itself against small contingents of enemy snubs.We already have a ship like that, it's called Liner (:
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Shinju - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 12:57 PM)Protégé Wrote: called Liner (:Do you know Liner is meant to be a "CARRIER" but Human cargo transport?
You know, Pere mentioned DESTROYER sized vessel with ability of launching fighters/Bombers and I am not sure if LINER can be considered a destroyer.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Corile - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 12:59 PM)Shinju Wrote:He also mentioned inferior equipment and firepower to other ships in its class which would generally fit the description of a liner. I mean, an Enterprise with full charon and cap8 is nasty at times. And it has docking modules.(02-11-2015, 12:57 PM)Protégé Wrote: called Liner (:Do you know Liner is meant to be a "CARRIER" but Human cargo transport?
You know, Pere mentioned DESTROYER sized vessel with ability of launching fighters/Bombers and I am not sure if LINER can be considered a destroyer.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Fluffyball - 02-11-2015
Some days ago, I came to conclusion there's one noticeable ally to the Exiles, who have shipyards.
Why not let Exiles cooperate with Colonial Republic over this ship? They are not that far away.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Lythrilux - 02-11-2015
Let's get an official exiles faction first with a somewhat active indie playerbase, rather than giving a dead and generally unplayed faction a capital ship that'll see little use.
I know I sound very critical, but pre-343 and pre-zenith the Kusari Exiles are a faction that could be deleted from the mod and no one would notice.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Fluffyball - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 01:52 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: I know I sound very critical, but pre-343 and pre-zenith the Kusari Exiles are a faction that could be deleted from the mod and no one would notice.You do realize removing them would not have any sense for the lore in the first place? -__- Not to point fingers anywhere, but it was devs idea to remove Emperor from Kusari. If RP cannot be pushed forward by anyone, make the devs repair it.
Just no rectons, please. We already screwed up one faction by doing that.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Pancakes - 02-11-2015
(02-11-2015, 02:02 PM)Toris James Gray Wrote:(02-11-2015, 01:52 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: I know I sound very critical, but pre-343 and pre-zenith the Kusari Exiles are a faction that could be deleted from the mod and no one would notice.You do realize removing them would not have any sense for the lore in the first place? -__- Not to point fingers anywhere, but it was devs idea to remove Emperor from Kusari. If RP cannot be pushed forward by anyone, make the devs repair it.
Just no rectons, please. We already screwed up one faction by doing that.
Yeah... Torris, I think you need a lesson in what sarcasm is...
Anyway as for the 'Emperor' thing - that is actually simple. Let me write down in a poetic way.
There once were 2 people, lets call them Friday and Zelot.
Friday was leading Kishiro and GMG, Friday was also very annoyed that Kishiro were so undernerfed in comparsion to Samura. Samura had it all! They controlled the house, they had more stations, their own planets. Oh how lively.
Then came a Zelot, with a wonderful idea! "Hey Friday, lets do a coup in Kusari! My Emperor character will have its own thing and Kishiro will rule Kusari, great huh?"
So then things set in motion and Emperor was exiled, and Kusari Exiles faction was formed, little did Zelot know that administration team had a slightly different plans for the faction.
"Make it closed and only mine!" Zelot yelled
"No! But...." replied the admins in a firm tone "We are willing to let it be semi-closed, official faction with ability to fly ships up to any size, and indies that can only fly up to snubs!"
Zelot was angered "My offer or nothing!"
Nothing it was, and so were the exiles born, open faction letting to be part of to all.
Zelot was angered, but not yet succumbed "I will make an official faction the hard way!" and used [Ronin] tag.
A while has passed and [Ronin] has failed, forward with the notion we made.
Kusari was left, abandoned to all, nobody cared or at least it seemed so.
Then we tried, players of Kusari, to change the cruel fate and make Kusari worth a journey.
We are still attempting, chatting with Max, in hope that Kusari will be a nice place to do more than relax.
RE: Concept: "Imagawa"-class Light Carrier (Exiles/Council) - Fluffyball - 02-11-2015
Conclussion:
Devs screwed up.
Following the basic sociopolitics, Kusari should have disobediant citizens, which hate a new government, what would eventually shatter new order - given we have a semi-feudal society.
I'm just pointing out that Kusari had Emperor, who is not a silly electional president figure which can be replaced. He is a symbol. He is Kusari itself.
Just saying.