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RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Reid - 04-10-2016 Normally I would be for the freedom of someone's roleplay, even though I disagreed with furries being on the server, there was no official ruling. But now there is an official ruling, they do not make sense in roleplay, so they should not be here. Bret knew what he was doing when he made a furry character in a game where they don't exist in lore. He knew what he was doing when he spent all that money on the images. That's not the admins problem. People had been asking the admins for years to make a ruling on this, and now that they have, everyone is screaming final nail. Should an exception be made for Bret because he's been roleplaying the same character for years? Maybe, that's not my decision to make. Should exceptions be made for future characters with "believable" backstories as to how they became furries? I don't think so. But then again, if your character's appearance is the main aspect of their personality and purpose on this server, I think you need to go back to the drawing board. (04-10-2016, 05:05 AM)Snak3 Wrote: I find this more of a political stunt rather than solving actual issues. Or at least a decision that is poorly thought out with a very narrow target audience of two people. If "wasting time" on this topic that's been debated on Discovery for longer than I've been here is such a big issue, then why do you seem so keen on pushing it any further. All you're doing is taking away "precious time" that you say can be spent on everything you listed. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - SnakThree - 04-10-2016 I have not noticed the debates through my career on Disco except for the one created by Lyth month ago. I found furries immersion-breaking, but the way staff handled that is not the best scenario. Heck, there were more debates about Zoner Capital ships and they are still ingame. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Reid - 04-10-2016 (04-10-2016, 06:30 AM)Snak3 Wrote: I have not noticed the debates through my career on Disco except for the one created by Lyth month ago I have because I was in the threads asking for an official ruling. And Zoner caps were going to be removed, until the entire community rioted and Gytrash wrote a 36 page report on why they should stay. Furries being banned effects less people than Zoner caps being removed RE: Admin Feedback Thread - aerelm - 04-10-2016 For the sake of transparency (since that's what people keep asking for, but every single time they get any extent of it they end up entirely missing the actual point and instead focus on arguing the rather unimportant wording of each paragraph instead), here's a quote of what I posted in the discussion thread in admin subforum: (04-03-2016, 03:08 AM)aerelm Wrote: Also, here's what I voted at the conclusion: ' Wrote:[N] Aerelm: After considering its pros and cons some more, I've also changed my stance to a definite N on this. They don't add anything worthwhile to the server to be worth tolerating their immersion breaking/out of lore/whatever you wanna call it state. I've also had the time to go through some of the roleplay posted by a few furry chars, and noticed they can play the exact same characters as human with no problems, so the whoof whoof is excessive and unnecessary and doesnt really fit with the general direction of the mod. tl;dr of the above: Any "productive furry RP" that I found (and mind you, that's besides the some 10 hours I spent this past week reading through some furry RP that I honestly wish I hadn't) could've just as well been done with a non-furry character, and the fact is, I couldn't find even a single piece of RP where being a furry actually added to the quality of that roleplay or was in any way critical to existence of that character. Those very same roleplays that people are now linking and complaining about being nullified with this new announcement can easily be revalidated by nothing more than removing the furry pic from the transmission bar, so I fail to see how the "furries added to server RP" arguments hold any merit. There's no denying that some players who happened to play furry chars had impact on the progression of various RP lines over the years (but so does any other longstanding player who's focused on any character more than a mere couple of months), but if you look through those roleplays again you'll realize the "furry element" of their RP had none to minimal role in those RPs and often didn't even come into play. So a decision to prohibit that "furry element" would have zero impact on similar roleplays in future. As a side note: The subject of other "out of place" elements also came up and was (and is being) discussed. The stretch even went as far as a mention or two of plain anime charpics and whether they added to RP in any way, so just because furries received their own announcement doesn't mean they were the sole focus of the discussion, it just means we decided to take it one step at a time. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Garrett Jax - 04-10-2016 Along with aerelm, I will post my remarks in Admin Discussion and in the vote itself. Discussion Quote:Allowing people to RP a furry, but disallowing Tbars and pics of a furry character strikes me as contradictory. In my opinion, we should either allow it or not. Either there is a place for furries in Disco, or there is not. Are furries part of Disco lore? No. Could they be? I suppose someone could RP a genetic manipulation between animal and human in some backwater science lab. There are a number of players that have years of RP already established with their furry characters. What happens to them? Would it come off as heavy handed if we arbitrarily decided to delete those characters? Vote Quote:[N] Garrett Jax: I've changed my mind on this one. Furries have no place in Disco. Restrict them to the Reservation with the ponies. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Arioch - 04-10-2016 Here was my part of the discussion, and in my personal opinion the announcement could've been done a little better: (04-03-2016, 04:52 AM)Drrobe Wrote: I share a lot of what Aerelm mentioned. Not a furry-hater, but I tend to shy aware from RP'ing with Furry characters. It's immersion-breaking, and as mentioned above, we follow closely the original lore of Freelancer. Yes some people may say "Well in vanilla freelancer there was Primus and Apes!" Well, that's been removed and there was no real "lore" in FL behind them. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Jeremy Hunter - 04-10-2016 Okay Drrobe, seeing this, I would like clarification: So Furry IMAGES are banned? Or are furry CHARACTERS are banned? I'd like to know now, as your proposed announcement is a more fleshed out version of Garrett's that clarifies a LOT of things. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Garrett Jax - 04-10-2016 The posts of the Admins here were part of the Discussion back and forth that we had. It went on for two pages, in actuality, so those that say that the matter was rushed are speaking in ignorance. The discussion brought forth various ways to confront the issue and the final decision, by vote, was to eliminate Furry RP from the server and restrict it to the Reservation. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Arioch - 04-10-2016 That was just what I proposed, doesn't mean it was included. From this discussion, which led to the vote, to Garrett's announcement, I believe it was all or nothing. RE: Admin Feedback Thread - Jeremy Hunter - 04-10-2016 (04-10-2016, 07:27 AM)Drrobe Wrote: That was just what I proposed, doesn't mean it was included. From this discussion, which led to the vote, to Garrett's announcement, I believe it was all or nothing. I know Drrobe. I was asking if it evolved from that. I just wanted to know if infact it was character banning alltogether at this point, as Garrett's post is a bit...unclear. Putting furries in the same boat as ponies, of which the latter was spammed literally everywhere, is...not confusing. Yes I know we did discuss this on Skype but I just want a final say, as it specifies IMAGES and not characters, per say. |