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The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - jammi - 12-18-2007
' Wrote:Besides, I personally think being the underdog is more reasonable for pirates anyway. Gov'ts and corporations will always have more credits to throw at ships and weapons than pirates, unless you are the Outcasts or Corsairs.
Xenos ared te ultimate underdog though. I think this is a great idea, even though I won't see much of you guys as I am located mostly in the Omicrons. Seems well planned and the RP story behind it will be great I'm sure because you are using a NPC faction story.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - Lucend - 12-18-2007
Bravo! Couldn't have done it better myself! In short, I love your idea for your faction, as well as using some old Vanilla ships that are sitting at some bases rotting. Also, what about making it mandatory that you stay in character as you're building up from a Starflier, even in New York? Just a suggestion.
Again, love the faction idea. Keep it up!
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - aaron - 12-18-2007
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the lack of roleplay in tactical situations that we all have been seeing is largely due to the overpowered set ups that we have all been using. Bring down the arms race a bit, and people are forced to roleplay more to achieve their objectives.
Agree big time. I see more overpowering ships than anything else. It seems everybody has some type of big ship. Don't see to many LF's or HF's . In real life (if i have a pistol and you have a tank, i think i'm going to turn around with my pistol and leave the seen, If i don't then i guess i deserve to die).
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - Jwnantze - 12-18-2007
I really like it, especially the rank requirments. I have an inkling to join, ill pm you later.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - Zapp - 12-18-2007
I have to ask a favor, that you space out the level up requirements; I can't seem to hold my concentration long enough to read them through :( Anyways, I've flown with you guys a lot, and I really like the idea. I believe we've talked in game...
BTW, people, In my personal armory of ships is a VHF and bomber, and that's it. Stop stereotyping teens as people that want to jump into the biggest thing they can and just PvP whore their way through the better part of Sirius. Though it's prolly true, most of the time.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - mjolnir - 12-18-2007
' Wrote:BTW, people, In my personal armory of ships is a VHF and bomber, and that's it. Stop stereotyping teens as people that want to jump into the biggest thing they can and just PvP whore their way through the better part of Sirius. Though it's prolly true, most of the time.
Hmm... I have nothing bigger either (but I have 11 of them :crazy:)... and point was that I thought it might take too long time to get even to those.... specially with the money requirements...and scare off some people that want to RP ... but just get bored killing many NPCs in their Dagger.... but Xoria already answered that it will be changed a bit.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - Dopamino - 12-18-2007
I have a Destroyer, simply because my faction needed a mobile base. All the rest of my combat characters are fighters and bombers.
I think that you do need to lighten up on weapons restrictions. No Outcast guns? Well if you really don't want any Infernos, thats fine by us...I don't know what you plan on shooting out of those bombers though. LH dont make their own torpedo launchers...
Besides that, looks good.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - bluntpencil2001 - 12-18-2007
I'm glad to see you attempting to discourage PvP whores from joining your pirate faction, but having PvP requirements for advancement will be difficult for the roleplayers that aren't that great at piloting. I'd maybe loosen the restrictions on fighters, but tighten the restrictions on recruitment.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - Koolmo - 12-18-2007
It looks really, really good man, but I'll second blunt's statement about PvP. I'm a terrible pilot, if getting promoted depended on kills for me, I'd ave been kicked out by now. Also, you forgot the SCRA on that factin list, we'd be under "Hostile". I'll be happy to see how the bomber fleet stands up against the horde of light fighters I suspect we'll be facing.
The Lane Hackers, Faction Proposal - Xoria - 12-19-2007
Thank you for all of the fantastic critiques and interest. I will be incorporating your suggestions over the course of the next week. Due to there being so many, I regret that I may not be able to address every single critique with a reply, however I will be thinking seriously about every critique that has been posted, and will be posted.
Regarding the use of ships and weapons not sold on Lane Hacker Bases, my philosophy is this: If the ship or weapon is sold by an ally, it is a possibility that requires 3 things: 1)Prior approval from the Faction Leadership 2) Solidly roleplaying the reasons for the purchase on the forum as a justification 3) An actual IN GAME RP event/action/theft/etc. The in game action must include the player facing opposition forces in some way, and must therefore contain the possibility of failure. What these events might be, and how large they would be, would depend on the type of purchase, and the cooperation of other players on both the ally and opposition sides. In other words, you have to earn it on the forum, AND in space. The difficulty of the RP event would be proportional to the value of the purchase. A ship would require more than a couple of weapons in terms of the RP value.
Zoners are not Lane Hacker allies, and so their weapons and ships are in a much grayer area. We'll see how things develop.
I have received the following by PM and wanted to share the questions and my answers here because it explains a lot of the thinking behind The Lane Hackers:
As the Sabre is beeing spammed left and right (because it has good stats now) I was thinking about eventually using the Crow, after and if I get up the ranks. What do you think about it?
1) The Crow: Since it is sold at Palermo Base (Outcasts), it is a possibility. The Falcata is on our list and it is also sold at Palermo. However the Falcata is listed as restricted access, and the Crow would be the same. Basically, the only reason Lane Hackers should be leaving Liberty Space is to get Cardamine from Malta (our smuggling fleet and escorts) or going to Arranmore Base (Dublin) to sell pilots, and Gran Canaria to buy Deuterium. So....in order for a member to fly the Crow, at this point I would say that member must demonstrate exceptional roleplay, exceptional teamwork, and exceptional participation in benefiting the clan. In other words, you have to earn it by helping make The Lane Hackers respected throughout Sirius. Then, and only then, the Crow could be a reward for a member's service. So the answer is yes, IF you earn it through great roleplaying. (But wouldn't that be more fun?!)
I also have to say that the Crow could fill a very big gap in our heavy fighter ranks. I will be giving serious consideration to this. Anyone have other unlawful HF suggestions? (I already know about the Ravens Talon)
Weapons:
Adv. Debilitators/ Debilitator turrets... what do you think about them? They are made by Ageira among others...and since Lane Hackers are very connected with the company.. they might easily get their hands on some. Freelancer NPCs drop them also.
2) Debilitators are sold at Lane Hacker Bases, so they are permitted.
Mini Razor? for fighters?
3) Minirazors: I haven't had time to consider these, but this has a similar answer to the Crow. The purchase of minirazors would require some actual RP events in game with the [TAZ], where they would give them to us as a reward (or allow us to buy them as a reward) for services rendered. So, maybe, maybe not. We'll see.
Supernova for bombers?
4) Supernova. This can be purchased from Arranmore base, so the answer is the same as for the Minirazors, with probably a much more likely chance of our using it becaues the Mollys are our allies.