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RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Aazalot - 02-04-2015
Quote:OSI supplies/supplied the absolute arch enemy of Daumann, it gets public through the Bundestag, Daumann isn't very fond of additional resources going the way towards their foes, Daumann deals with the issue through mercenaries. I thought my former post made that clear.
Although Daumann might deal with issues through mercenaries, the point being made is that there is nothing INRP showing that intention other then a posting on a bounty board. Also if OSI is banned from Rheinland Space, why should it bother Daumann? Id understand hunting OSI ships within Rheinland Space and its boarders, but anywhere else? a little iffy on that one.
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Wildkins - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 08:19 PM)Gytrash Wrote:(02-04-2015, 07:47 PM)LordVipex Wrote: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=95763
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=96747
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=116329
Sadly, the initial posts are now almost 2 years old and thus most images are deleted by now.
Anyway, the summary of what I linked above: OSI were caught supplying Red Hessian bases, a fine was issued, it was never paid, OSI leader at that time outright refuses to pay for it, OSI gets banned from Rheinland. Obviously, Daumann is not pleased that the Red Hessians are supplied by a corporation, as small as it may be. Daumann's shady business tactics allow to deal with these problems through mercenaries.
While this conflict was quite neat by sparking unexpected changes and activity, it also had the unfortunate consequence that OSI is now generally frowned upon by Rheinland lawfuls.
So......
You did nothing for two years
And suddenly sirius wide 30 million credit bounty on all whales?
Yeah, that makes perfect inRP sense.
looks like a bit of a fruedian slip there mate
i mean unless OSI- only flies whales
oops
also, it was just posted because the DHC board just re-opened
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Gytrash - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 08:22 PM)John Wildkins Wrote: looks like a big of a fruedian slip there mate
i mean unless OSI- only flies whales
oops
also, it was just posted because the DHC board just re-opened
Apologies, it was more of a slip because I'm tired as hell.
And dredging up two years old posts made by another faction to justify a SIRIUS WIDE BOUNTY makes very little sense, a bounty for in Rheinland I could see, but for all of Sirius? I can't fathom it.
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Wildkins - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 08:24 PM)Gytrash Wrote:(02-04-2015, 08:22 PM)John Wildkins Wrote: looks like a big of a fruedian slip there mate
i mean unless OSI- only flies whales
oops
also, it was just posted because the DHC board just re-opened
Apologies, it was more of a slip because I'm tired as hell.
And dredging up two years old posts made by another faction to justify a SIRIUS WIDE BOUNTY makes very little sense, a bounty for in Rheinland I could see, but for all of Sirius? I can't fathom it.
the sirius wide bounty existed two years ago, and then the DHC bounty board closed six to eight months ago
it just re-opened, and the bounty's back
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Stoner_Steve - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 08:20 PM)John Wildkins Wrote:I don't know why your acting surprised. Since when does any military share communications with the corporate elite?(02-04-2015, 08:16 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I wouldn't be moaning if RM had the bounty posted vs Daumann
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Maybe if someone showed me how DHC got this information outside of the same people running both organization and I'll go back into my corner and play with my toys.
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Wildkins - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 08:29 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote:(02-04-2015, 08:20 PM)John Wildkins Wrote:(02-04-2015, 08:16 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I wouldn't be moaning if RM had the bounty posted vs Daumann
I don't know why your acting surprised. Since when does any military share communications with the corporate elite?
since every government in sirius is a combined group of military and corporate leaders
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Stoner_Steve - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 08:34 PM)John Wildkins Wrote:(02-04-2015, 08:29 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote:since every government in sirius is a combined group of military and corporate leaders(02-04-2015, 08:20 PM)John Wildkins Wrote:I don't know why your acting surprised. Since when does any military share communications with the corporate elite?(02-04-2015, 08:16 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I wouldn't be moaning if RM had the bounty posted vs Daumann
(02-04-2015, 08:29 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I don't know why your acting surprised. Since when does any military share communications with the corporate elite?
Hell RM can make a comm now and it would make me happy, but at this point I still don't see any communication between DHC and RM. Which makes me, the player, not the OSI member, wonder how this information was communicated
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Gytrash - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 07:47 PM)LordVipex Wrote: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=95763Let's also refer back to the original post, seeing as you can't even dig up any roleplay that DHC has done around this, seeing as there isn't any, I checked.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=96747
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=116329
Sadly, the initial posts are now almost 2 years old and thus most images are deleted by now.
Anyway, the summary of what I linked above: OSI were caught supplying Red Hessian bases, a fine was issued, it was never paid, OSI leader at that time outright refuses to pay for it, OSI gets banned from Rheinland. Obviously, Daumann is not pleased that the Red Hessians are supplied by a corporation, as small as it may be. Daumann's shady business tactics allow to deal with these problems through mercenaries.
While this conflict was quite neat by sparking unexpected changes and activity, it also had the unfortunate consequence that OSI is now generally frowned upon by Rheinland lawfuls.
In the original post it has OSI being banned from Rheinland after the person doing the negotiating asks where to send the money, last I checked this was not the outcome that would be expected, nor the outcome that should have taken place Roleplay is supposed to be something that's agreed on.
What was agreed on in the posts preceding Vrabcek's unfathomable decision to ban OSI from Rheinland space was a fine being issued, an agreement to pay (Albeit under protest) and a request to know where to send the cash.
What should have followed according to 1.2 was the accepting of the payment and that being done and dusted, instead something else happened and we're in this situation here.
Fast forward to the second link, we have Duncan coming to attempt to renegotiate at which point Pavel decides to troll again, completely ignoring the section of the first post where voncloud AGREED TO PAY, and decides to levy a stupidly large 850 million credit fine along with a whole load of other restrictions.
Now we've got Pavel posting a bounty on OSI for 30 million a pop?
I find it hard to justify any of the RP surrounding this.
Regardless, I asked what RP Daumann Heavy Construction had done, the answer is, from what you've said, none.
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Auriec - 02-04-2015
John answered most of the other points very well, so you can refer to that often.
(02-04-2015, 08:21 PM)Aazalot Wrote: Although Daumann might deal with issues through mercenaries, the point being made is that there is nothing INRP showing that intention other then a posting on a bounty board. Also if OSI is banned from Rheinland Space, why should it bother Daumann? Id understand hunting OSI ships within Rheinland Space and its boarders, but anywhere else? a little iffy on that one.
The intention is quite clear, and even if I repeat myself for the third time now, it is only in Daumann's interest to weaken the Red Hessians. By making it generally more difficulty for OSI to move cargo around in Sirius, OSI are receiving heavy repercussions that hurt their trade and thus also indirectly the Red Hessians. Simply a corporate warfare with the goal to weaken ones arch enemy, really. The law enforcement deals with OSI inside the borders, but that is far from effective enough. It boils down to terrorists attacking a country, convicted weapon supplier gets banned and hunted even outside of the country borders. Not hunting them because "why should it bother [the victims]" when the suppliers are not in in the country borders would be fairly illogical.
(02-04-2015, 08:29 PM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: I don't know why your acting surprised. Since when does any military share communications with the corporate elite?
While the military initially was the only entity that dealt with it, the issue was put into the hands of the Bundestag rather quickly. The Admiral itself can't* put up a law on his own, and with a bit more background thoughts it was rather apparent that the Bundestag was involved in this, even though their messages were transmitted only through the admiral himself in the beginning. How that ties military and corporations together? Obviously military has strong link to politics. Corporate members in high seats are the social elite, and they use their money to convince politicians to root for their interests. A link between corps and politics is established, and thus you have an indirect strong connection between Military actions and corporate interests.
@Gytrash - I don't really want to spend more time repeating myself at all, so just read the posts before. Ah, I'll do it anyway. The bounty is a mere consequence of the events that unfolded. OSI became the enemy, and DHC bounties their enemies. Just as many other factions do. It simply makes your trade a bit more dangerous, which is the intended inRP effect of the bounty. If you dislike that, hire a pack of scouts and escorts that detect/slow the mercenaries.
Regarding the bit about OSI being willing at last to pay the fine: It was far too late, and neither politicians nor admirals like snarky comments or backtalk.
There is more than enough evidence that justifies OSI becoming an enemy of Daumann, and Daumann has taken appropriate steps to combat these enemies.
I'll eject from the Zonerzonerzoner until a new point comes up that hasn't already been answered thrice.
RE: Daumann Heavy Construction feedback - Gytrash - 02-04-2015
(02-04-2015, 09:18 PM)LordVipex Wrote: @Gytrash - I don't really want to spend more time repeating myself at all, so just read the posts before. Ah, I'll do it anyway. The bounty is a mere consequence of the events that unfolded. OSI became the enemy, and DHC bounties their enemies. Just as many other factions do. It simply makes your trade a bit more dangerous, which is the intended inRP effect of the bounty. If you dislike that, hire a pack of scouts and escorts that detect/slow the mercenaries.
Regarding the bit about OSI being willing at last to pay the fine: It was far too late, and neither politicians nor admirals like snarky comments or backtalk.
There is more than enough evidence that justifies OSI becoming an enemy of Daumann, and Daumann has taken appropriate steps to combat these enemies.
I'll eject from the Zonerzonerzoner until a new point comes up that hasn't already been answered thrice.
There can be no RP justification without RP, when I asked for RP that DAUMANN had done you could not provide a single link to anything that DAUMANN had done, might I remind you that DAUMANN is not the RHEINLAND MILITARY, as much as you seem to believe otherwise, if you're planning on merging them next patch then wait till next patch to pretend they're the same faction.