Could you please not be pissed at normal feedback? You seem to not get my point. What you did was sort of bad, and the way you're acting about it doesn't help you either. Fact is the following:
You used your green-to-nomad/wild ship to randomly join a nomad battlegroup without previous RP to it. Like, you just sent a "invite" to our group chat and someone added you, because "Atar" sounds pretty much like a nomad name. Then when you got into range, all we saw was a ship green towards nomads and wild, while most of us were busy fighting. You posted some nomad speech in the chat, and most people had no idea who you are. They looked at green IFF, part of the group, nomad speech - must be fine, continue shjote Bretonians. We had a good amount of indies, one extra salty K'hara who seemed to be rather new, two Wilde and three Vagrants, and everyone was confused about you. Like, it's okay that you're the probably most special snowflake of Discovery currently, that just matches your general ambivalence. However, you seem to need someone to remind you that there is a difference between causing confusion to characters and players. And that on both sides, given you shot Bretonians, immediately after/during it acted like it's just fine for you to dock with Canterbury Station - after having shot Bretonians right infront of it - then undock again and start shooting nomads, who see you as green target and nobody had an idea what was going on. Like, when you cause confusion to more than ten people, as Aoi joined later as well, then the problem is not with us but with you, obviously.
And since you shot nomads and wilde, I asked you here to give me your version of the story, kindly and without being pissed. I am looking for a way to not alter your SRP, but then again, you trick the players behind the characters with green IFF towards Wild and Nomads, especially indies, which is why I think this is a no-go. The logical consequence would be to FR5 you to hostile, however that would probably affect your Unknown IFF. And you know, that is very well within our possibilities. Your SRP request itself stated your character is dynamic and thus it's diplomacy. It is unlucky for you that the Unknown IFF is bound to the Wild faction reputation, but given how you behaved ingame, it is really your problem and not mine. Since I am a rather nice person, I ask you for your ideas on alternatives.
TL;DR: What you want is "trick" characters, however you "tricked" the players behind them. That's not good.
(06-19-2017, 08:20 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Unknown IFF is bound to the Wild faction reputation
Just saying, this is wrong. With an SRP, you can have whatever rep you need to be displayed on your ships to follow the RP. In this case, look at MaEx Werdi has, his ships are tagged Outcasts yet he's hostile to them at the same time.
Second off, I get you MIGHT speak for the Nomads, but if you could, please have the Wilde leader, Vag leader or K'Hara leader post here instead of just a member of the faction please. No offence, but your more or less acting as the leader of all three factions, when your not, so Sombra, if you will, before you go around flaunting your title, please also get the agreed word from the other two nomad factions (wilde and K'Hara) and perhaps a green word here to, before you go about threatening someones SRP with change.
(06-19-2017, 08:20 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Unknown IFF is bound to the Wild faction reputation
Just saying, this is wrong. With an SRP, you can have whatever rep you need to be displayed on your ships to follow the RP. In this case, look at MaEx Werdi has, his ships are tagged Outcasts yet he's hostile to them at the same time.
Second off, I get you MIGHT speak for the Nomads, but if you could, please have the Wilde leader, Vag leader or K'Hara leader post here instead of just a member of the faction please. No offence, but your more or less acting as the leader of all three factions, when your not, so Sombra, if you will, before you go around flaunting your title, please also get the agreed word from the other two nomad factions (wilde and K'Hara) and perhaps a green word here to, before you go about threatening someones SRP with change.
Thanks~
Thanks for your two cents without knowing the context.
(06-19-2017, 08:34 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Thanks for your two cents without knowing the context.
Mate, I don't need to know what happened, you are more or less threatening someone elses SRP without asking the other nomad leaders first off and at that, acting like you speak for the nomads as a whole. I simply asked you that, if the nomads indeed have a problem, have their leaders post here. Its not that hard to understand. Regardless, I'm leaving this thread before a mod locks it
unknown iff isn't an issue
freelancer iff would have the same effect if you're friendy with the npc faction, which corsairs back in the "raid gamma everyday" age of disco complained a lot about because it was hard for them to tell who was hostile and you couldn't exactly turn hostile to the freelancer faction
so ye the only real problem is that he docked in the base of a faction he had just shot at, everything else sounds like you're jealous and could be replicated extremely easily without unknown iff (and in fact replicates regularly with freelancers who are red to the people they bountyhunt but aren't red for the people they kill)
I'm not threatening. I'm using common sense. You shoot nomads? Then you don't have to be green to them. Especially when you join a nomad group without RP as non-nomad/non-wild. This was simply tricking, be it on purpose or not. And that needs to be prevented in future. If anything, the best solution would be to remove the IFF of that ship completely, because that would symbolize "Unknown IFF" more than the actual "Unknown IFF" which makes you appear green to nomads and wild. This isn't threatening any RP, this is about removing the possible abusal of an limitation of the game.
Edit:
That is what I am refering to, specifically regarding the IFF.
(06-19-2017, 08:40 PM)Yber Wrote: unknown iff isn't an issue
freelancer iff would have the same effect if you're friendy with the npc faction, which corsairs back in the "raid gamma everyday" age of disco complained a lot about because it was hard for them to tell who was hostile and you couldn't exactly turn hostile to the freelancer faction
so ye the only real problem is that he docked in the base of a faction he had just shot at, everything else sounds like you're jealous and could be replicated extremely easily without unknown iff (and in fact replicates regularly with freelancers who are red to the people they bountyhunt but aren't red for the people they kill)
To clarify - I didn't shoot at BAF at any point before docking on a Bretonian station. Apologies if my previous wording was confusing. It was because I still thought Nomad NPCs were around, and they'd one-shot me twice. Didn't want to fly back from the Omicrons again to enjoy Spazzy's event, and I have no other Bret lawful ships.
I also can't start engagements to assist infected outside of the Omicrons. I joined group because I heard that Nomads were getting hammered - turned out BAF were, so I roleplayed the human persona breaking through as no nomads had tried to communicate with them.
(06-19-2017, 08:55 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: Is it true you didn't shoot any humans at the battlefield? Because you probably know yourself you got at least one kill during that fight.
[18.06.2017 19:22:02] Death: BRF|HMS-Swiftsure was put out of action by Atar (Gun).
You know those glitches wherin it shows you randomly killed somebody? Swiftsure is a cap, either a cruiser or a battleship. One, I was grouped with Swiftsure at the time, which would make killing him dumb, two, I can't kill a cap with four type two stem guns, two debs, and prayer. It's bluntly impossible. I'm flying a VHF with an anti-fighter loadout.
I was in Omicron Sigma when that one went off, I believe.
That glitch actually might be a thing - if that was the case, then I'm sorry. However you were present on the battlefield exactly when that happened.
[18.06.2017 19:21:31] Atar: ?: Then, I was Nesrin.
[18.06.2017 19:21:41] Atar: ::[uploadingNoosphereBackup]:: [18.06.2017 19:21:45] Wilde.LNS-Dauntless: STOP SHOOTINg
[18.06.2017 19:21:49] Maz'Rah: I stopped
[18.06.2017 19:21:59] Maz'Rah: who did [18.06.2017 19:22:02] Death: BRF|HMS-Swiftsure was put out of action by Atar (Gun).
Anyway, just to clarify, this is not an attack on your SRP/RP but on the signals you give the players behind the characters with the current settings. I highly recommend to give those ships no IFF rather than the Unknown IFF, or if it is possible, which according to your SRP Request and Spazzy, shouldn't, getting your IFF red or at least neutral to Nomads/Wild to prevent those situations in future. Like, I can see especially indies falling for that, and especially when group invitations and battles are involved, the snowflake status will cause negative surprises for both sides. Like, if I was you, I'd really avoid that instead of clinging on an IFF that is just decorative.
That being said, the first person to mention an FR5 about this was a Wild player, not me.