Dab, I'm sorry but Junkers are listed as a Lawfull force in Gallia, so your statement as to why they must sign on a register is rather silly in the respects that Junkers have already been listed as a legal force with in gallia. It is also discouraging to see only a few names on that list, too which I see more Independant junker players then that using the ID in the incorrect manner, despite my own and I can assure you, Congress player efforts. So I do not see how in any way you are encouraging gallic roleplay in regards to Gallic Junkers. Also the Admins make the ID's that are in the game. You saying that you will ignore gallic Junker ID'd players as gallic junker players is power-gaming as the ID itself shops who they are. For which I also see that it discourages gallic junker roleplay aswell, because you will not play with in the spirit of the game.
You will need to learn to accept that a gallic junker ID'd player is playing a gallic junker and nothing else but a gallic junker.
Quote:he has broken the law repeatedly.
My character has not broken a single law. Get over it, as you clearly do not understand what apologetic sentences are.
Quote:You are not agents of our government, or our royalty, as the lore clearly states. And we're full within the law to prevent the entrance into Gallia by Junkers who are not loyal to the Crown. In order to enforce this, we have a registry where those who are loyal can say so. This gives our pilots a clear list of what Junkers can or cannot enter, so that Gallic Junkers are not needlessly harassed by police or navy personnel when traveling inside Gallia's border.
In game lore shows that you are wrong again. You know that as well as I do, so do not play coy with me.
Quote:Unfortunately, it is not given by the ID in .85. Junker ID is only that; Junker. It does not indicate a Junker's loyalties or place of origin. As such, we have to create a method in which to allow Junkers to tell us if they are loyal Gallics, so that we can treat them as Gallics.
The Junker Guard Id Clearly states that anyone using this ID is a Gallic Junker. So you comment above is null and void, and shows your ignorance. I repeat you know this, so stop playing coy with me.
Quote:Not all Junkers are Gallic
Those Junker characters using the Gallic Junker ID are Gallic Junkers, you can presss a button to scan there ship to see which ID they are using. Thus it is easy to see if the Junker Is Gallic or not. So easy that you only have to press one button, Is that so hard?
Quote:Again; It does not. It's like saying the Mercenary ID tells you the character is a loyal Gallic. It's an absurd notion. Not all Junkers are Gallic. Not all Junkers are Rheinlanders. Not all Junkers knew of the leadership of the Junkers having been paid by the Crown to transfer information to them. This is all very clearly presented in the lore for Gallia, please go ready the storyline releases for .85 and the infocards and rumors in-game.
The ID used by gallic junker characters already show to whom there allegiance. As you show intent to ignore what is on the gallic junker ID that is power-gaming, and thus not in the spirit of the game. You know this as much as I do, get over it, accept it and stop playing coy with me.
Quote:We know what apologetic means, and your character has been anything but that. Your character has been repeatedly insultive towards both Blois, my character, and the ONI Directeur. We gave you several warnings that further insults wouldn't be tolerated, and you answered that warning with further insults. Clear insults. It's the same behavior that sunk the negotiations with Freeport 10. It also sunk your attempt at the OS&C Summit. You've gotten repeated feedback about your attitude and your behavior. Not your characters' behavior, but your personal behavior. It's repellent, it's offensive, and you bring it into your roleplay and then complain when it gets you in trouble, in roleplay.
To be perfectly clear, here are the laws your character has broken;
That is of you wanting to see what you want to see. My character has been very apologetic. I go to give you examples:
Quote:As a side note, comparing a well known warfaring tactic to the tactics of terror, is of much regard, an under sight. To which does lead me to question your education.
Informs the players character that there knowledge of the tactic is wrong, whilst informing there knowledge with what the tactic actually is, aopologetic, before what can be taken as an insult.
Quote:Would you like to see a Council tank blow itself up when it tries to fire its main gun, that actually has the ability to destroy one of the Royalist tanks with just much ease as a loyalist tank would do to their own military vehicles, saving one precious round that can be put to better use against an installation or another military mobile target?
Apologetic, by showing a positive thing that can be achieved, and showing reasons why.
Quote:And lastly, you have made it clear you do not require the Consortium to perform any active intelligence operations, as you say that is no longer needed, I would then like to ask what does the Crown want of Gallic Junkers? Since you have kindly put it that we have no job. So what is our job in your eyes? Or maybe you have forgotten why the Crown founded the Junkers. To which it purely shows that you actually lack.
Apologetic, by understanding what they have said, and being polite to ask the character a respectable question. To which the character responded "A useless servant asks what can he do to serve his liege." Which is not true, any vassal is required to ask there liege when there requirement is changed without any information on what that is. And furthermore the said character responding was neither my characters liege, so has not right to make such an insult.
Quote:I made no such insults, grow up and accept criterisim when it is given. And need I not remind you I am an Agent of His Majesty meaning that I am immune to such threats of imprisonment. Really does show your lack of education that. Such a sad thing.
Is apologetic, by saying to the character that he needs to accept things as they are, to which they were critersisms. Before saying what can be taken as an insult.
Quote:So you do not wish to use tried and tested methods of war, and refer to them as an act of terror when in fact they are not "chuckles", I find that sad. O well, your own education demises a tool that you can use.
My character was Apologetic here by pointing out the flaws of what the charcter had shown, before making what would otherwise be taken as an insult.
Quote:And you are wrong, a worthy Liege asks what is required when the needs of them have been changed as you put it yourself, and not been shown what those new needs are. Such a child you are, such a child. If one is not told what is expected, then what are they to do, wonder around being a useless fool in a hall, or ask. Obviously the latter is your opinion. And the opinion of the village idiot.
Is also Apologetic for a variety of reasons. Firstly because it is giving a polite correction, secondly because a either/or is given, which further makes it a criterisim
From this point your character Dab comes in. Both GRN Characters made the situation worse by not understanding the above quotes, which are all valid as Apologetic, and criterisims. But instead both you and the other player completely ignore the meaning of criterisim and apologetic's. So as you can see you had no founding to say my character broke any law, that would injustice a warrant for an arrest nor exile. I would also like to point out that I know that you take things differently from the rest of the Gallic High Command players as proven from experience. So that in itself is no mere argument against anything, because your own interpretation is flawed, and not in the same manner as many other gallic players.
So to end, my character broke no laws to the point your character, Dab, stepped in as you claim. I have also done extensive research on Nobility and how they would react. The mannerisms thereforth, and what is acceptable for them to perform and what is not acceptable to perform. I aslo see that you ignore an ID that clearly states the user is a gallic ID, but instead you treat them as a none gallic junker, for which is powergaming. And I also see that you are inadvertently discouraging Gallic Junker roleplay via the means of what you believe is trying to promote it, whilst at the same time not recognising Gallic Junker ID'd players as Gallic Junker characters.
Also your members have no right to keep spamming the Thread this is in relation to. It is way out of line.
And lastly, for this post, I have considered putting a front character up with my current going in to Exile, but I thought it would be interesting to perform some sort of event in doing so, in that she could be arrested trying to do so, and I'd love that to happen in 4.86 if I do choose to pull that event together, where GRN| can try to arrest her whilst she trys to escape.
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Skullz, none of those examples are 'apologetic'. It doesn't matter if you put an apology into a sentence if immediately afterwards you insult them again. I seriously don't understand why you seem to think that characters would be happy with you insulting their persons and education.
I mean, c'mon. You've been called out for doing the same thing with multiple characters on at least three different occasions, as Dab cited. Surely, it's not so hard to just not insult people. I mean, sure, maybe you just RP all your characters as abrasive and hard to like... But you're not going to get many productive results that way.
(And just to reinforce the point, the 23rd would love to fight some GRN in Tau 31).
jammi : there's no activity checks untill the release of 4.86.
Therefore, Dab decided to stop forcing players to log while they didn't want to log. I do consider if you're bringing the topic of inactivity, you've clearly never played a GRN character.
Skullz : We can do whatever we want as the Royalty. If we want to burn every single cat that exist in Gallia, no problem, we can do it and no one can say anything. If we want to execute someone, no problem, we can do it.
You fail to understand what Gallia is meant to be representative of : An house with a system based on the highest possible degree of dictatorship that could be imagined. The words of the King are law, no one can do anything, no one can say anything, even think anything that would go against the King. This is why the Council was born.
The Junkers aren't considered really as a lawful force in Gallia, and first thing first, if you plan to argue with me about the Gallic lore, you can turn back right now considering I have spent two years studying it, understanding it and improving it in every little detail possible. The Gallic Junkers, known as Les Ferrailleurs, to make it short, were tasked by the King to act as spies for the Gallic Royalty to gather informations about the Sirian houses after a GRN patrol encountered Outcast vessels in Omicron-80, revealing to the Gallic Royalty that they were not the only ones there. However at that point they didn't know if there was anything else than what they thought were barbarians. It inevitably led to the construction of the minefields. Slowly, the Junkers integrated themselves into Sirius, but after decades many forgot their initial purpose, becoming Sirian Junkers. Meanwhile, those who were still loyal to the crown sent informations regulary and also began smuggling Ageira goods related to Valhalla. At some point, Solar Engineering managed to bypass Ageira's security protocols which led to Gallia being able to reverse engineer Trade Lanes and even Jump Gates.
The council knows about it, and they hold a grudge on the Junkers, but don't really mind it as they -COULD- use the junkers. However the Maquis will simply destroy Junkers on sight. Essentially, they're semi-lawful in Gallia. The Royalty has no use for them anymore except the recycling of junkyards. Although, ever since the minefield has been breached, there's been an arrival of Sirian Junkers, and the Royalty do not like it at all. The Royalty considers them as bastard sons in a way, which led to Aurelia creating a registery for Junkers. In the end, because even Gallic Junkers were starting to become an annoyance, that registery extended to them as well.
Your character simply can't do anything. Being disrespectful to a member of the crown is considered as the highest offense possible in Gallia, even more than killing somebody.
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' Wrote:you've clearly never played a GRN character.
Uhuh, correct. I did play the RdG at the height of their activity though, and there wasn't any GRN then either. I'm offering you guys an active opponent in Tau 31 (where you're allowed to operate) if you want any fun fights. Capitals preferred, but we're game for anything really.
Dab has me on Skype, so if you want to take me up on the offer for some pre-.86 border skirmishes, you know where to look.
EDIT: Also, the idea of Junkers smuggling trade lane/jump gate tech is patently ridiculous. It's just an extremely forced plot hole to explain why Igiss didn't have to think up alternate methods for Gallic players to travel around.
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That's stupid though... Even on the pre-.86 event server, it was a three way brawl between the GRN, KNF and BAF. I'm fairly sure that announcement was just a knee-jerk reaction to the CCCP invading Bretonia.
SneakyEditForSkullz: Skullz, you'll find that the whole point of an absolute monarchy with a despotic king at the head, is that he can do what he likes, including tear up tradition. The king is the highest source of authority - who are you going to complain to if he doesn't abide by the 'rules' of Gallia?