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==Infoboxes==
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__TOC__
  
Would anyone be willing to create a generic or specific infobox for use? I'd like to use at least a basic template as both a temporary measure and possibly basis for future, more advanced templates (on species, governments, groups, people, locations etc.)
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== Year pages ==
  
[[User:Praetyre|Praetyre]] 11:11, 27 May 2008 (GMT)
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Wikipedia has pages for each year that lists general information, events, and so on. I think this could be a highly useful addition to this wiki, making it easier not only for people to investigate the history of Sirius but also for people to add more historical information.
  
I don't know what an infobox is, but here are some templates I use.<br>
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As a player faction founder, I had considerable trouble piecing together the vanilla history of the NPC faction. I had to take the pre-release history from the House design document, keyword search through infocards and rumors (often by year), and fill in blanks myself. It would have been far easier if there were historical events listed in a relatively sequential manner, such as on a timeline.
[[User:Chovynz|Chovynz]] 03:21, 2 June 2008 (GMT)
 
===Things to keep as templates===
 
http://discoveryfl.com/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Chovynz#Things_to_keep_as_templates
 
  
==Infocard Data==
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A wiki based timeline would, I think, be a fantastic resource for any community member who is researching for a character, ship, story, faction, curiosity, or free cake.
Recently people have been "correcting" certain information, either by grammar, or description. Should we be following the infocard information or writing our own stuff? I'd like a discussion on this to sort out the procedure that we are following as there are a few different methods being used.
 
  
[[User:Chovynz|Chovynz]] 07:45, 28 May 2008 (GMT)
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I say we start making links out of years A.S. and encourage people to add information. If this is a success, we may need some sort of citation policy.
  
I'm one of those, I follow what "sounds" right, like adding "the" in front of words so it becomes smoother to read. As well as Wikipedia's capitalisation format and americanized spelling. Notice the z?
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--[[User:Eyvind|Eyvind]] ([[User_talk:Eyvind|Talk]]) 02:17, 29 January 2010 (MST)
[[User:Tumble-Weed|Tumble-Weed]]'' <sup>([[User talk: Tumble-Weed|ComLink]]([[Special:Contributions/Tumble-Weed|Holocron]])</sup> 07:57, 1 June 2008 (GMT)
 
  
==Weapons/Turrets Sorting==
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:I have to say, making articles with events in each century is a great idea.
I've just filled in all the content on the [[missiles]] page, but have inadvertantly unearthed another issue. Re: Missile Turrets, I propose these turrets list as part of the "Class X Turrets" pages (which I am workin on collecting data to fill in - any help there would be appreciated). They sort better based on class - i.e. ship type - than the fact that these turrets fire missiles. Especially when you've got to factor in other turret types (Flak, Razor, etc.)
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:In my opinion we dont have enough events to make pages per year or per decade.
If people are interested we could still have a [[Missile Turrets]] links page with sortable table (sort of a double-up), but I would just do a simple disambig page linking to the different classes. What are people's feelings on this and the current organization of the weapons listings? [[User:JRawk|JRawk]] 23:45, 21 December 2008 (MST)
 
  
==Ship Categories==
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:"[[User:Tracky|Tracky]] 14:46, 30 January 2010 (MST)"
I noticed that some ships have been put in categories for which House they originate from. Other ships have been put in categories for where they are from, the factions that use them, who built them, and so on. Bottom line is that we need to standardize ship categorization.
 
  
One option is to put ships in the standard ship-type categories, any appropriate general categories (e.g. [[:Category:Discovery Content]]), and the origin of the ship. For example, the [[Guardian]] should be put in [[:Category:Liberty]], the [[Titan]] should be put in [[:Category:Corsair]], and the [[Whale]] in [[:Category:GMG]].
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::You're probably right. We can stick to pages for each century to begin with, at the very least, and if they get over-sized or difficult to keep cohesive and organized we can split them up. I will make these now, to the pages I have already created.
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::~ [[User:Eyvind|Eyvind]] ([[User_talk:Eyvind|Talk]]) 23:06, 30 January 2010 (MST)
  
That option is simple but the problem I see with it is that it does not account for ships that are used by factions that are unrelated to the origin of the ship. Take the [[Whale]] for example. It was designed by [[GMG]] but is being manufactured by many ship building corporations all over Sirius and used by as many factions. Putting the [[Whale]] in [[:Category:GMG]] would practically hide it from people looking for a ship that suits their needs who are using the categories to find ships that suit their character background and affiliation. Would a Rheinland trader even consider buying a GMG ship?
 
  
This brings up the issue of ship usage being much more complex than where the ships originate from. Perhaps the issue should be stepped around by not using any such categories? People looking for ships could use the ship lists here and there and use the short descriptions as guidelines (that's what I do).
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I have begin working on this.
  
Ideas?
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I suggest we stick to a minimum of pages before we finalize the system and policy. The ones I am doing at the moment:
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*[[51 AS]] '''UPDATE''': Proposed for deletion
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*[[1st Century A.S.]]
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*[[Template:Years]] '''UPDATE''': moved to [[Template:Centuries]]
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*[[:Category:Years]] '''UPDATE''': replaced by [[:Category:Centuries]]
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*[[:Category:1st Century A.S.]]
  
<span style="white-space:pre;">-- [[User:Eyvind|Eyvind]] ([[User_talk:Eyvind|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Eyvind|contrib]]) </span> 03:16, 22 February 2009 (MST)
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One question, albeit minor, is whether we should use "first" as opposed to "1st" for century pages and categories. I am leaning toward "first," myself, but will wait to change anything until I get some input.
  
==Accessibility==
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Please post here with any ideas, feedback, suggestions, questions, concerns, or cake. This will likely work out better if I don't end up doing it by myself.
One major issue that I've noticed: Capital Ships are just not accessible...i.e. the Phoenix Shipyard-Vespucci System-Grid B-4: This Shipyard is surrounded by a ''dense'' asteroid field making it nigh impossible to get the Capital Ship provided there out-system. In other cases, while the shipyards themselves are not in dense cover, all entry and exit jumpholes are, almost ensuring the ship never leaves the system. I suggest, perhaps, access routes be made into said fields to allow capital ship extraction.
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[[User:Aphchemah|Aphchemah]] 17:40, 22 Apr 2009 (EST)
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--[[User:Eyvind|Eyvind]] ([[User_talk:Eyvind|Talk]]) 04:09, 30 January 2010 (MST)
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Hey there, this isn't the place to write about potential problems related to the mod - this page is dedicated to general discussion regarding the Wiki and it's development. Please open a thread on the forums instead, thank you ;) . [[User:Nathrael|~Nathrael]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Nathrael|Talklink]] [http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showuser=8787 Datalink] [mailto:nathrael@tacticalgamer.com Commlink]</small></sup>
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Hit another concern; "A.S.":
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* "BC" and "AD" are rarely (ever?) written with dots, perhaps there is no reason for us to put dots in AS.
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* Should pages titles include the AS or should the title only contain the year number? On the one hand, it may be important to distinguish Freelancer years from real years, but on the other hand distinguishing the two here may be irrelevant or moot.
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Thoughts?
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--[[User:Eyvind|Eyvind]] ([[User_talk:Eyvind|Talk]]) 04:17, 30 January 2010 (MST)
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I'd think that a page per century would be good.
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One century would be under a hundred words, most likely - some could be over a thousand.
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One page per year would be a bit of overkill.
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I'd also think that tagging "A.S." onto years should be essential.
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It helps us keep everything in perspective.
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-- [[User:Sprolf|Sprolf]] ([[User_talk:Sprolf|Talk]]) 06:07, 30 January 2010 (MST)
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== Outdated information, commodities, and related ==
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This needs to be discussed properly.
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Reference: [http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=59149]
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Proposed, partial, possible solutions:
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# Change version category tags on Discovery content pages with templates to more easily be able to, for example, add noticeable notices to outdated pages once versions are no longer current. '''Being adopted currently, including in the Wiki Code Generator.'''
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# Change the various spoiler table (sale locations, mining locations, etc) into dedicated templates for much the same reason. Also see below.
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# Add notices to commodity spoilers indicating that they may be partially or wholly inaccurate due to on-the-fly price changes.
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Please discus these issues, suggest your solutions or simply start putting your solutions into work right away. '' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_bold_in_editing_articles] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle] '''
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I will be disheartened if this is yet another thing for me to try to get started without adequate support.
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-- [[User:Eyvind|Eyvind]] ([[User_talk:Eyvind|Talk]]) 00:27, 1 February 2010 (MST)
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:I'm creating a template now for versions, keep an eye out for [[Template:Version|<nowiki>{{Version}}</nowiki>]] [[:User:Cshake|~cshake]] <sup>([[:User_Talk:Cshake|talk]]) (sysop)</sup> 09:45, 1 February 2010 (MST)
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:I think the possibility of removing some of this information completely should be considered, especially if it is "partially or wholly inaccurate" -[[User:Tazuras|Tazuras]] 00:30, 1 February 2010 (MST)
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::I've been told that Ores, Event-specific commodities, and prices that were bugged (extremely high profits, etc) are the only thing changed on the fly, so the vast majority of commodity prices are going to be accurate, not counting ores. I propose removing prices from the ores pages and simply stating that they are 'subject to current markets' or somesuch, and then anything else that changes can be manually fixed (like artifacts in Gamma, as the only bugfix that I'm aware of now) [[:User:Cshake|~cshake]] <sup>([[:User_Talk:Cshake|talk]]) (sysop)</sup> 09:45, 1 February 2010 (MST)
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:::Well, that works for me.  Though it might be worth asking if they plan to change other commodities this way in the future. -[[User:Tazuras|Tazuras]] 19:26, 1 February 2010 (MST)
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== A question ...  sorry, I'm new here ==
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Excuse me if this issue has already been addressed, but I did not have time to read the entire archive.
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Here is my question :
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When one buys a ship that is too large to be docked in a hangar, it still tries to launch from the hangar. It gets stuck. How does one allow the ship to leave ?  Has anyone else had this problem ?
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:Please sign your messages in discussions.
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:This also isn't the right place for your question...
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:Anyway, if you are playing on a server that is setup properly, you can use /stuck to get unstuck.
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:--[[User:Alex|Alex]] 07:50, 15 February 2010 (MST)
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==Main Page Updated==
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:The infoboard about the House Governments, with the related redirect commands were updated. The old pixelated images were replaced.
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:I hope that you like them.
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:--[[User:Centurion|Centurion]] 11:37, 4 February 2011 (MST)
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==Tables and Categories==
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I've noticed that there seems to be a recurring problem where tables don't like showing up under their respective headings.
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For example, in [[Player Characters]], the Individual Characters Wiki Sortable also comes up under families. Ideas, anyone? The source code doesn't give reason for it. Well, not the coding I can see. Any ideas much appreciated :)
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[[User:Champ|Champ]] 02:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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== Bann? Oo  I need help ==
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I have sell Neon and then i was banned?
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Why?
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pls help -.-
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:''The above unsigned entry was written by [[User:Raiden|Raiden]] ([[User talk:Raiden|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Raiden|contribs]]) on '''18:39, 20 March 2013'''''
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:What server were you playing on? If it was Discovery Freelancer RP 24/7 please go to http://discoverygc.com/forums/ --<span style="background-color: #F89406;padding:1px 3px 2px;border-radius: 3px; -o-border-radius: 3px; -ms-border-radius: 3px; -webkit-border-radius:3px;-moz-border-radius:3px;border-radius:3px;font-weight:bold;color:white;">[[User:Alex|Alex]]</span> 20:28, 20 March 2013 (CET)
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== Bann? Oo  I need help ==
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Charname: Raiden!
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Server: Discovery Freelancer RP 24/7
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On this page http://discoverygc.com/forums/ im wait of a e-mail from Admins for confirm.
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Sorry my english is bad. I comes from germany.
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I have sell Neon and than i was banned ..i have play this char over 25 h -.-
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== I need help !!!!!!!! ==
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my client crashed sometimes what i need to do
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{{Unsigned|14:20, 12 May 2016‎|Chupa kabra}}
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:Hi; I'd suggest making a post over in the in the [http://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=26 Help & Support subforum] with any error messages that you might be getting. - [[User:Space|Space]] <sup>[[User talk:Space|(talk)]]</sup> 16:16, 13 May 2016 (CEST)

Latest revision as of 14:16, 13 May 2016

General Discussion Archives: 1 2 3

If you would like to reopen discussion on an archived topic, please create a new section here rather than posting in the archive.

This is a general page to propose your ideas on how this Wiki should move forward.

To post a suggestion: create a new section, and write everything you wish. Here you'll get more chances for your idea to be brought to life than by posting in a forum thread.


Year pages

Wikipedia has pages for each year that lists general information, events, and so on. I think this could be a highly useful addition to this wiki, making it easier not only for people to investigate the history of Sirius but also for people to add more historical information.

As a player faction founder, I had considerable trouble piecing together the vanilla history of the NPC faction. I had to take the pre-release history from the House design document, keyword search through infocards and rumors (often by year), and fill in blanks myself. It would have been far easier if there were historical events listed in a relatively sequential manner, such as on a timeline.

A wiki based timeline would, I think, be a fantastic resource for any community member who is researching for a character, ship, story, faction, curiosity, or free cake.

I say we start making links out of years A.S. and encourage people to add information. If this is a success, we may need some sort of citation policy.

--Eyvind (Talk) 02:17, 29 January 2010 (MST)

I have to say, making articles with events in each century is a great idea.
In my opinion we dont have enough events to make pages per year or per decade.
"Tracky 14:46, 30 January 2010 (MST)"
You're probably right. We can stick to pages for each century to begin with, at the very least, and if they get over-sized or difficult to keep cohesive and organized we can split them up. I will make these now, to the pages I have already created.
~ Eyvind (Talk) 23:06, 30 January 2010 (MST)


I have begin working on this.

I suggest we stick to a minimum of pages before we finalize the system and policy. The ones I am doing at the moment:

One question, albeit minor, is whether we should use "first" as opposed to "1st" for century pages and categories. I am leaning toward "first," myself, but will wait to change anything until I get some input.

Please post here with any ideas, feedback, suggestions, questions, concerns, or cake. This will likely work out better if I don't end up doing it by myself.

--Eyvind (Talk) 04:09, 30 January 2010 (MST)


Hit another concern; "A.S.":

  • "BC" and "AD" are rarely (ever?) written with dots, perhaps there is no reason for us to put dots in AS.
  • Should pages titles include the AS or should the title only contain the year number? On the one hand, it may be important to distinguish Freelancer years from real years, but on the other hand distinguishing the two here may be irrelevant or moot.

Thoughts?

--Eyvind (Talk) 04:17, 30 January 2010 (MST)


I'd think that a page per century would be good. One century would be under a hundred words, most likely - some could be over a thousand. One page per year would be a bit of overkill.

I'd also think that tagging "A.S." onto years should be essential. It helps us keep everything in perspective.

-- Sprolf (Talk) 06:07, 30 January 2010 (MST)

Outdated information, commodities, and related

This needs to be discussed properly.

Reference: [1]

Proposed, partial, possible solutions:

  1. Change version category tags on Discovery content pages with templates to more easily be able to, for example, add noticeable notices to outdated pages once versions are no longer current. Being adopted currently, including in the Wiki Code Generator.
  2. Change the various spoiler table (sale locations, mining locations, etc) into dedicated templates for much the same reason. Also see below.
  3. Add notices to commodity spoilers indicating that they may be partially or wholly inaccurate due to on-the-fly price changes.

Please discus these issues, suggest your solutions or simply start putting your solutions into work right away. [2] [3] '

I will be disheartened if this is yet another thing for me to try to get started without adequate support.

-- Eyvind (Talk) 00:27, 1 February 2010 (MST)

I'm creating a template now for versions, keep an eye out for {{Version}} ~cshake (talk) (sysop) 09:45, 1 February 2010 (MST)


I think the possibility of removing some of this information completely should be considered, especially if it is "partially or wholly inaccurate" -Tazuras 00:30, 1 February 2010 (MST)
I've been told that Ores, Event-specific commodities, and prices that were bugged (extremely high profits, etc) are the only thing changed on the fly, so the vast majority of commodity prices are going to be accurate, not counting ores. I propose removing prices from the ores pages and simply stating that they are 'subject to current markets' or somesuch, and then anything else that changes can be manually fixed (like artifacts in Gamma, as the only bugfix that I'm aware of now) ~cshake (talk) (sysop) 09:45, 1 February 2010 (MST)
Well, that works for me. Though it might be worth asking if they plan to change other commodities this way in the future. -Tazuras 19:26, 1 February 2010 (MST)

A question ... sorry, I'm new here

Excuse me if this issue has already been addressed, but I did not have time to read the entire archive.

Here is my question :

When one buys a ship that is too large to be docked in a hangar, it still tries to launch from the hangar. It gets stuck. How does one allow the ship to leave ? Has anyone else had this problem ?

Please sign your messages in discussions.
This also isn't the right place for your question...
Anyway, if you are playing on a server that is setup properly, you can use /stuck to get unstuck.
--Alex 07:50, 15 February 2010 (MST)


Main Page Updated

The infoboard about the House Governments, with the related redirect commands were updated. The old pixelated images were replaced.
I hope that you like them.
--Centurion 11:37, 4 February 2011 (MST)

Tables and Categories

I've noticed that there seems to be a recurring problem where tables don't like showing up under their respective headings. For example, in Player Characters, the Individual Characters Wiki Sortable also comes up under families. Ideas, anyone? The source code doesn't give reason for it. Well, not the coding I can see. Any ideas much appreciated :) Champ 02:06, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Bann? Oo I need help

I have sell Neon and then i was banned? Why? pls help -.-

The above unsigned entry was written by Raiden (Talk | contribs) on 18:39, 20 March 2013
What server were you playing on? If it was Discovery Freelancer RP 24/7 please go to http://discoverygc.com/forums/ --Alex 20:28, 20 March 2013 (CET)

Bann? Oo I need help

Charname: Raiden! Server: Discovery Freelancer RP 24/7 On this page http://discoverygc.com/forums/ im wait of a e-mail from Admins for confirm. Sorry my english is bad. I comes from germany. I have sell Neon and than i was banned ..i have play this char over 25 h -.-

I need help !!!!!!!!

my client crashed sometimes what i need to do

The above unsigned entry was written by Chupa kabra (Talk | contribs) on 14:20, 12 May 2016‎
Hi; I'd suggest making a post over in the in the Help & Support subforum with any error messages that you might be getting. - Space (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2016 (CEST)