(03-25-2015, 07:49 PM)aakopa Wrote: [ -> ]GTX 960 isn't that good deal. Get 280x as it has more frame buffer, has better performance and costs around the same.
He says a graphic card that is over 2 years old for the same price as one from this year is delivering the same power. Seems legit, anyways. The AMD card series 200 is - louder, - old, - AMD graphics card.. ( some driver do not get updated anymore, I guess it was for Win8 or so), - consumes -waay- more power for 10-15 % less efficience as their Nvidia counterpart...
If you can get a Nvidia GPU, always take it. AMD is only 2nd choice about GPU's. However, if we would be talkin' about CPUs, then I would swear on AMD CPUs instead of Intel. Just because of their great prices for great efficiency.
My choice would be the ASUS GTX970 Black. It's the gaming version of the GTX970 that was released this year, bought 2 of them to SLI those. You have to know that, SLI has made waay more progress then Crossfire and micro-framedrops are no problem anymore so Nvidia all the way... You could also buy a GTX960 now and SLI a 2nd one later on whenever you need the extra ressources... (Star Citizen, Ultra HD (4k) or VR... on and on...)
Buying an AMD R9 200 series at the moment is useless, they will release their 300 series soon, if you should really want to buy an AMD 200 series card wait some time until the 300 series release, so the price of the 200 series drops again, mkay?
Why would someone pay 200 bucks for a 2 year old graphics card that is 10-15 % more bad, consuming 25 % more power and making 30 % more noise? Please, tell me. Anyways...
The PSU should be enough if it isn't a crap-aka-no-name brand. Though those could be good, just keep an eye on the certificates of your PSU. Here in europe it's regulated quite good, you can buy from a noname brand without having to worry, aslong all certificates are what you desire/expect from your PSU.
(04-17-2015, 10:51 PM)Vape Wrote: [ -> ]AMD R9 270
Don't buy the AMD Radeon R9 2XX series anymore, it does not support DX12 hardware based. Please just don't...
(04-21-2015, 02:52 PM)SwagBunny Wrote: [ -> ]GTX 970 And that's it 8|
http://www.amazon.com/Zotac-Video-Card-G...&ascsubtag
I was a fanboy of you already before you posted this but yes. GTX 970 and SLI another one later when in need and you are good to go.
SwagBunny
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Though GTX970/980 does not fully support the DX12 standards they are the best you can get currently and the price is very good for what you get
(04-21-2015, 02:43 PM)Rebirth Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2015, 10:51 PM)Vape Wrote: [ -> ]AMD R9 270
Don't buy the AMD Radeon R9 2XX series anymore, it does not support DX12 hardware based. Please just don't...
DX12 is backwards compatible.
Didn't you read what I wrote? I haven't said it's not software compatible to older cards, but hardware based a R9 2XX series will not support it 'fully'...
Quote:"AMD revealed that it will support DirectX® 12 on all AMD Radeon™ GPUs that feature the Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture."
http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-demon...
The existing AMD cards will probably not have the hardware to fully support DX12. If thats the case they will support DX11.3, which is basically a slightly inferior version of DX12 that will run on older hardware.
Nvidia's Maxwell (GTX 970, 980) are the first cards to have official full hardware support for all features of DX12. The older Nvidia cards will probably join the 11.3 camp with AMD.
But DX12 is not out yet. It will probably take over two years before DX12 titles come out.
Okay?
://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-demonstrates-2014mar20.aspx
://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2344411/msi-270x-support-dx12.html
(04-17-2015, 10:28 PM)Rebirth Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2015, 07:49 PM)aakopa Wrote: [ -> ]GTX 960 isn't that good deal. Get 280x as it has more frame buffer, has better performance and costs around the same.
He says a graphic card that is over 2 years old for the same price as one from this year is delivering the same power. Seems legit, anyways. The AMD card series 200 is - louder, - old, - AMD graphics card.. ( some driver do not get updated anymore, I guess it was for Win8 or so), - consumes -waay- more power for 10-15 % less efficience as their Nvidia counterpart...
If you can get a Nvidia GPU, always take it. AMD is only 2nd choice about GPU's. However, if we would be talkin' about CPUs, then I would swear on AMD CPUs instead of Intel. Just because of their great prices for great efficiency.
My choice would be the ASUS GTX970 Black. It's the gaming version of the GTX970 that was released this year, bought 2 of them to SLI those. You have to know that, SLI has made waay more progress then Crossfire and micro-framedrops are no problem anymore so Nvidia all the way... You could also buy a GTX960 now and SLI a 2nd one later on whenever you need the extra ressources... (Star Citizen, Ultra HD (4k) or VR... on and on...)
Buying an AMD R9 200 series at the moment is useless, they will release their 300 series soon, if you should really want to buy an AMD 200 series card wait some time until the 300 series release, so the price of the 200 series drops again, mkay?
Why would someone pay 200 bucks for a 2 year old graphics card that is 10-15 % more bad, consuming 25 % more power and making 30 % more noise? Please, tell me. Anyways...
The PSU should be enough if it isn't a crap-aka-no-name brand. Though those could be good, just keep an eye on the certificates of your PSU. Here in europe it's regulated quite good, you can buy from a noname brand without having to worry, aslong all certificates are what you desire/expect from your PSU.
The noise difference between 7970/280x with custom cooler isn't that big. Against 970 that card isn't as good, but against 960 it has better performance. Also, You can't really play 4k with 2x 960 because they have 2GB framebuffer, and SLI doesn't double that. And SLI scaling isn't any better compared to crossfire, it's all about the game support.
I have never had a issue with AMD drivers so I don't see why you hate them.
You cannot play in UHD aka 4k with a SLI GTX 960 setup? K.
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/F/477267/...-4-UHD.png , 70 FPS with a GTX960 sli setup. I highly doubt these benchmarks are lying, do they?
Battlefield 4 Ultra HD , Medium Preset + Mantle ( 70 FPS )
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/D/477265/...d-4-HD.png
Battlefield 4 Full HD , Ultra Preset + Mantle ( 100 FPS )
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/D/477265/...d-4-HD.png
In a couple of games a GTX 960 SLI setup is even better then a single GTX 980 while you save around 100-150 € when buying 2x GTX 960 instead of a single GTX 980, in fact I'm aware that a single GPU is always above multi-gpu setup but we are talking about SLI and not Crossfire. You won't feel the difference here anymore, don't worry.
Though I would always prefer an AMD CPU over an Intel, I would -not go ahead and buy a 3-4 year old graphics card that ;
- consums more energy
- makes more noise
- is not an investition into the future (DX12 aka our Maxwell...)
It's everyones own decision if you either want to buy an AMD or Nvidia GPU. AMD might give you like "5-10%" more power for now as we've seen in the benchmarks, but they are not an investition into the future. Microsoft already gave out the DX12 SDK, so developers could start working on the new API, if you don't mind to be stuck at old games with your 'AMD 2XX series' card, go ahead. They will support DX12 in a way thus only driver based, I'm not quite sure how useful this 'light' version of DX11.'3' will be due to the missing hardware support. DX12 will give an enourmous boost though... oh wait. Those were only the newer maxwell cards 8|... (
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/187970...-tech-demo )...
Quote:Others UltraHD/Full HD on and on...
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/6/477258/...der-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/9/477261/...er-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/G/477268/...Raider.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/B/477263/...ght-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/3/477255/...ht-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/E/477266/...man-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/K/477272/...an-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/4/477256/...ief-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/8/477260/...ef-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/7/477259/...RT3-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/A/477262/...T3-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/5/477257/...ock-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/C/477264/...ck-UHD.png
(04-21-2015, 03:57 PM)Rebirth Wrote: [ -> ]You cannot play in UHD aka 4k with a SLI GTX 960 setup? K. http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/F/477267/...-4-UHD.png , 70 FPS with a GTX960 sli setup. I highly doubt these benchmarks are lying, do they?
Battlefield 4 Ultra HD , Medium Preset + Mantle ( 70 FPS ) http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/D/477265/...d-4-HD.png
Battlefield 4 Full HD , Ultra Preset + Mantle ( 100 FPS ) http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/D/477265/...d-4-HD.png
In a couple of games a GTX 960 SLI setup is even better then a single GTX 980 while you save around 100-150 € when buying 2x GTX 960 instead of a single GTX 980, in fact I'm aware that a single GPU is always above multi-gpu setup but we are talking about SLI and not Crossfire. You won't feel the difference here anymore, don't worry.
Though I would always prefer an AMD CPU over an Intel, I would -not go ahead and buy a 3-4 year old graphics card that ;
- consums more energy
- makes more noise
- is not an investition into the future (DX12 aka our Maxwell...)
It's everyones own decision if you either want to buy an AMD or Nvidia GPU. AMD might give you like "5-10%" more power for now as we've seen in the benchmarks, but they are not an investition into the future. Microsoft already gave out the DX12 SDK, so developers could start working on the new API, if you don't mind to be stuck at old games with your 'AMD 2XX series' card, go ahead. They will support DX12 in a way thus only driver based, I'm not quite sure how useful this 'light' version of DX11.'3' will be due to the missing hardware support. DX12 will give an enourmous boost though... oh wait. Those were only the newer maxwell cards 8|... ( http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/187970...-tech-demo )...
Quote:Others UltraHD/Full HD on and on...
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/6/477258/...der-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/9/477261/...er-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/G/477268/...Raider.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/B/477263/...ght-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/3/477255/...ht-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/E/477266/...man-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/K/477272/...an-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/4/477256/...ief-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/8/477260/...ef-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/7/477259/...RT3-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/A/477262/...T3-UHD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/5/477257/...ock-HD.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/9/C/477264/...ck-UHD.png
Nvidia cards don't support Mantle, but you have graphs where it supposedly would? Also in your own graphs you see SLI scaling is not perfect and you are not getting 100% scaling. And in BF4 290x performs really well and costs 100 dollars less. And you seem to really like to point that it's ready to future with that DX12 support. But I don't think that support is that cool, as current games can take well over 2GB video memory when running 1080p (GTA5 for example).