Here's my propositions.
Nephilim: Conversion from a battleship into a true colony ship. Primary and heavy hardpoints removed. Vessel can be equipped with secondaries, flak turrets and solaris turrets. Hardpoint number increased to 30.
Aquillon: Slightly more agility. Better secondary hardpoint coverage. Second option - elimination from shipline.
Fearless: 3 heavy hardpoints - top center, port and starboard. Powercore increased to 1,8 mill., hull reduced by 10%.
Bomber: A heavy bomber modeled after the Osprey II.
Discuss.
for the Nephilim you better have a lot better shield and increased power output so it can defend it self because only thing that keeps other caps from taking one out is the fact it can defend itself. adding more turrets is fine and the lesser guns but if it is going to be a true colony ship they would have given the ship stronger shields then they do have.
face it the Zoners would have built ships that could hold off a nomad BS . because they would not send out colonies with out the ability of having a good chance if not the best chance of surviving space beyond the outer rim. i would disagree with that kind of changes unless it came with more power and better shield
i like the idea of a Nephilim as being just a RP ship. its massive, it cannot dodge any fire, it cannot TS, gets stuck in asteroids fields easy. its usless in combat so might as well serve its purpose of an exploration ship.
The Aquillon is a whole another story. its a very capable light battleship. its shape is good for dodging and has a decent number of secondaries, as well as 850m/s prims. i don't think it needs any changes. Zoners don't fight so its full potential is not being used
Playing devil's advocate here and say that Zoners should not even have (publically available) battleships.
Aquilon would be alright, Nephilim useless and Fearless overpowered. Fearless is one of the smallest cruisers in the game so giving it medium core and an extra heavy slot for no reason won't pass. The armor nerf is insignificant, and Fearless has a fair amount of hull for its size already.
(09-01-2017, 06:34 AM)Foxglove Wrote: [ -> ]Playing devil's advocate here and say that Zoners should not even have (publically available) battleships.
Agree.
My 2 cents on this.
Nephilim: Make it SRP-only. It isn't called colony ship for naught - there should be few of those. I think that whoever wishes to obtain one of these should roleplay its commissioning. Perfect as a colony exploration vessel or mobile Freeport - not for fighting Makos/Marduks.
Aquilon: Nothing to say, Aquilon's alright…although Zoners shouldn't have battleships. Perhaps a battlecruiser, but definetly -not- battleships/carriers/dreads.
Fearless: Might be useful to rescale it. Other than that, it's good as it is.
Uhh...yep, that's it.
~ Zyl
I'm still disappointed
this change for Zoner caps didn't pass, the models were great and it would have made them more benevolent and fitting.
I would approve of disarming the Nephilim somewhat, maybe that would also prevent new players from seeing it as the ultimate battleship with unlimited ZOI. The Aquilon could stay as a jumpship, the Fearless as a very heavy escort for Zoner convoys or something, yeah. I would approve of some change.
Thanks for the constructive input. Now for my own responses.
All vessels in Discovery are RP vessels. For some reason there is this mentality that "PvP-challenged" ships are "RP" ships, while more combat-oriented ships don't share that distinction as clearly. Never really understood this mentality on an RP server.
In the case of the Nephilim, turning it into an SRP feels redundant. The Persephone already fills that role. Afaik, there is at least one on the server, owned by TAZ. Converting it into a true colony ship makes more sense due to the nature of basic Zoner ethos. It would no longer be a defacto warship, but would have enough defensive power to deflect bomber and gb assaults. Giving it nanobots and a generously reinforced hull would offset the removal of the big guns. I'm unsure if a larger shield could be implemented without serious tweeking.
The Aquillon feels sort of pointless to me. I'm not sure why it was ever needed, or how the Zoners ponied up enough credits for yet another BS. Despite some of the opinions in this thread, it's combat features are lackluster, it has a large top silhouette and sluggish agility. If I woke up one day and noticed the Aquillon was removed, I wouldn't miss it.
The Fearless is a good destroyer, but the heavy hardpoints need an adjustment. Having a third on center top would be more optimal for LM placement, and thus making it a more effective anti-capital vessel. This could be done without increasing the powercore. However, I still feel a powercore increase from light to medium would be reasonable, especially if the Nephilim is converted and the Aquillion gets nixed. If the Core feels left out, I wouldn't be against their dessies getting the same powercore upgrade.
What about the Zoner bomber suggestion? Any thoughts?