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No, I'm not missing hybrids. I was meaning mentally in that sense. They don't understand our mental process, as was shown by thier failed attempts in the original story line, any better than we do thiers.
18 years of studying human psychology through their hosts, any and all data that humanity itself has come up with in the past 1000 years, and doing experiments probably gives them at least a good idea of
what we think even if they don't fully understand the mechanisms behind it.
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They gain the knowledge of what that person knows, yes, that doesn't mean they understand the hows and whys of our mental processes. First off, 99.9 percent of humanity doesn't understand itself, and second most of the "facts" we know, are wrong. We memorise it wrong, we mess it up through the fog of time, or we just plain form erroneous conclusions. Then take into the account that knowledge of a thing and the ability to use it do not equate to mastery of or knowledge of it's inner workings. Any idiot knows about gravity. Most have a grasp of it's meaning to, not only us, but the physical universe. Few understand the mechanics of it. And none can prove it as anything other than a local effect. (FYI: Gravity is a theory, it cannot be proven as of yet, look it up, it's pretty interesting.)
See above. A human warrior doesn't need to know brain chemistry to be able to predict whether his opponent is about to attack from above or the side. If there are humans capable of dealing effectively with other humans, then the Nomads can learn how they do it just as well, if not better.
Oh, and I call bulldung on your gravity "example" (even though if it were true it would prove my point rather than yours). Calling something a "theory" has no bearing on the state of its acceptance in scientific knowledge.
"Look it up."
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First, don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. We are to a point in the game where we are making the mythos ourselves, and that makes my input as valuable as yours. It could very well be that what I say will become cannon and what you say discarded like the mornings bowel movement. Get over yourself.
You tried to explain that spazzing out in combat would make Nomads go insane. You also claimed that a given patrol had only one mind, rather than one mind per ship (if you've ever fought the Keepers, that should be perfectly obvious that there's more than one mind). Treewyrm has been working with Nomad RP and developing how they work in Discovery for years. I, along with a number of others, have assisted in writing the Nomad Lore document which is about fifty pages long (last I checked) and took several months to write (not to mention the years of ingame and forum work leading up to it).
You or anyone else
cannot simply walk in and say "well my opinion is as valid as the past three years of accepted activity, just because I said so". It doesn't work that way. Your input, while not meaningless, is most certainly not as "valuable" as, say, Treewyrm's when answering a question like "how do the Nomads operate in a given situation".
I believe I am indeed entitled to tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not unlike someone with a PhD in physics telling off another person's idea that momentum is in fact not conserved. The people who play Nomads and have been playing Nomads for years and have written 90% of everything there is to know about Nomads are most definitely more qualified than you are. So shut the hell up.
Quote:Second, I didn't state that it would be easily reproduced, in fact if you read my earlier post on this you would know I state quite the opposite. What I state is that if it exists, it can be reproduced. We find it, reproduced it, and weaponize it. That's what humans do best.
By "easily reproduced" I meant "easy by comparison to genetically engineering humans to have telepathic abilities and then designing machines with which to simulate that and then building millions of them so that you could try and overload the Nomad consciousness". As
we have stated, there is no connection in physical mediums like electromagnetic waves (which is what you said). It's telepathy, not radios. You would need to find something that interacts with their telepathy, and then build machines to give off the same signals.
Which is exactly what I suggested, but nobody seems to have read it.
Quote:Third, there is, actually, evidence that thier cohesion falls apart in battle. It's the way we won in the original story line. They outnumbered us, had us on tech-level, and even on pilot skill. But we won. Why? I think it's because we surprised them. They couldn't predict us, couldn't keep up with our mental agility. Part of that is, no doubt, because if you give an entity to much to think about, to much to do, it overloads. Try it yourself. With your left hand type, "I love fun." over and over. With your right hand juggle two eggs. With your right foot tap a continous beat, bum bum bumumum bum bumpity bump. With your left foot bounce a soccer ball. You aren't going to be able to do it long, if at all, and certainly not without total concentration. Any interruption will cause you to lose it all. This is true of all entities. Overload it, and it fails at the given tasks.
You start with "evidence". Your "evidence", however, is prefaced by "I think". I call shenanigans. Combat of any kind is strenuous and requires intense concentration- if humans can handle all of that information with only their one little bitsy brain, do you seriously think that an entity with access to millions of other brains to "outsource" analysis of combat data to would have the slightest bit of trouble? If they did, they simply couldn't fight
at all. It wouldn't be a matter of fighting humans specifically, they'd flop over and die if engaged by a stationary weapons platform. And that's just silly.
Quote:And lastly, we know that there are not that many of them. That means that each entity has to controll multiples of ships. Now, say in a given patrol there are ships controlled by multiple entities, then, since there are so few nomads, each entity will control multiple ships, in multiple patrols, making the strain all the greater. We have the numbers to overwhelm them with sensory input from battle. One on one, the tactics I envisioned would merely give you the advantage of being totally unpredictable, no small matter in battle. How many of you use tactics that allow you to predict what your opponent is going to do next so as to hit them with a slower moving weapon? However, if we do it enmass, we not only ruin thier battle predictions, we overload them, making thier responses more sluggish and less precise, enhancing our own advantage.
I suppose that if every single Nomad vessel was engaged simultaneously that would cause some issues. Then again, you also mistake the numbers of their ships for the numbers of their consciousnesses- since a consciousness cannot die, and new consciousnesses can be formed, there's no shortage there- not infinite, but a lot. Ships, however, get destroyed. The Nomads do not have a particularly vast supply of ships. That does not mean they do not have enough minds to run them.
What you're doing is slurring things about the Nomads and thinking that what applies in one place
must be true in an unrelated place. Aristotle did a nice proof of the elemental spheres and stuff... but it started with "there are four elements, which are earth, water, air, and fire" so everything else is garbage. You need to start with correct information to begin applying logic to it, and you need to apply logic correctly. GO READ THE NOMAD LORE. Further posts of yours will be ignored until you convince me that you've read it, or at least give a damn about what we've been doing for the past couple years.