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Where is the police? The navy? The security forces? The guns on trade lanes and jump gates that actually affect the pirates in any way? In short: Where is the security?

I've only been around a week or so and haven't really had time to completely adjust myself to this server and the rules, yet, but there seem to be some imbalance in the trade/miner vs. pirate relationship. I mean, what exactly does a pirate have to lose? The right to pirate in that system for 4 hours? No problem, he'll just go to the adjacent one and set up shop there.

NPC pirates always disrupt the middle part of the trade lane and ambush you there. For a good reason. Then they're out of range of the guns on the lanes and the jump gates. Player pirates have no such worries, since those cannons would be able to penetrate their shields.

Secondly, NPC pirates almost exclusively use fighters to attack you with. That's because pirates have limited resources and risking a capital ship, bomber or gunboat on random acts of piracy isn't wise. If you loose it or it gets severely damaged, you won't be able to use it against high priority, escorted targets, where you actually need the firepower.

Thirdly, most pirate organizations hide behind some kind of 'cause'. Be it freedom, more rights to the common man or to fight fascism. Most, if not all, of these causes, require that you have the general public behind you, supporting you, to have any chance of success. But the pirates I've met couldn't care less about that.

I've met a Freelancer who destroyed my ship, because I didn't feel like paying him 4 million credits, just 30 seconds after I'd payed off another pirate with 2 million. I've met a Junker who threatened to destroy me, unless I stopped trading with Rheinland. I explained that I was just moving through Rheinland and he let me go, but warned me to take the longer route next time. That was fair enough, but if he wants to threaten or kill everyone who doesn't agree with him or his faction, he's going to have his hands full for years and years to come. It's just not a very effective way to deal with your enemy. Unless you do what the Germans tried in WWII and prevent EVERY SINGLE transport/freighter to enter Rheinland space. Good luck with that. That he was doing all this in some kind of big ship (didn't think to scan him at the time), doesn't help either.

And my last complaint is the sheer number of pirates vs. the number of lawfulls. Wherever I go, there are pirates. Everywhere. Or players with ID's that let them pirate more or less everyone in sight. But I rarely see people with the will and gear to stop them. And that is annoying. And it more or less guarantees that you will be pirated, rather than you risk it.

So I've made my decision: I will not give in to any demands from a pirate, unless he's more or less my equal in equipment.

As I said, I've only started recently, so my equipment is poor; A Mining Ship with Armor Upgrade I and standard transport turrets that come with the ship. So the next bomber/gunboat with armor upgrade VIII will just have to blow me out of the system, I don't care. A ~23 million transport, carrying either nothing or 2700 units of water/food/mining equipment, shouldn't be worth his time, when there are a lot bigger fish (Liners and freighters/transports carrying either prisoners and very vaulable cargo) to fry.

Yes. We have an unblanced pirate:lawful:trader ration.

No. There is nothing you can do about it, whining on the forums won't help. I'm a trader too, I feel your frustration but unfortunately you can't just limit the amount of people who plays around with pirate characters.

My suggestion is: live with it. I'm getting tired of pirate threads.
Simple answer: If you can't beat them, join them.

Yaarrrrrrr:)
' Wrote:Simple answer: If you can't beat them, join them.

Yaarrrrrrr:)

Don't go doin' that!

We don't need more pirates.
Trade during server downtime
Trade in a group
Fly above the plane
' Wrote:Trade during server downtime
You see, that is kinda difficult...

Anyway, if you don't give in to my demands, I do nasty things to your hull.:crazy:

Oh and... I would want to know why a Junker is trying to stop you trading with Rheinland.
Trading in a group's really the best suggestion...Join Bowex. They'll show you how its done, with 4 shire convoys.
And, if its a mining ship, get 1 mining lazer, and then all transport turrets type 2...perhaps BMM is a better choice for the mining ship.

There's really no reason not to be in a faction with a trading ship. They earn profits, will show you a lot of routes, and produce huge bubbles of protection when they convoy up.


Those things are incredibly, incredibly nasty for any thing bigger than a fighter.

But, realistically, piracy is all about hitting them when their weak, and running away when they're strong.
So sad and so true.
He really is right about the best stuff against the usual lawful losers. In Liberty, except for Navy or LPI Swat, you aint meeting a decent PVP guy. While pirates - the best of the entire server. How much fun to die because you dont feel paying huge sums of cash for nothing.

And it is sad nothing will be done. Despite how much it ruins the fun for people, I guess they can just do nothing. Hoorah pirates, three cheers for your ability to kill the fun for people. And dont blame me that you have fun too. Blowing up poor newbies who dont have the cash or are not sure what to do, thats just low and low. And yet you do it.

Thats why I would never join unlawful faction. I dont intend to ruin fun of others.
Exactly. You cannot understand the satisfaction of watching 36 Type 1 and 2 transport turrets UTTERLY decimate a Rogue Gunboat until you've seen it first hand.:lol:
Well, yeah, we do have an unequal number of pirates and lawfuls. The reason? Because being a pirate is "cool" while being a lawful is "lame", and it's simple evolutionary trends. Being a pirate in real life is hard, but being something different and a rebel attracts women, so because it's exciting and fun to be something you can't be in real life AND you attract women, being a pirate attracts more people. It's just something to get used to.

In another light, there are many more places to trade than where all the pirates are. I've been pirates twice this version, and once there wasn't a demand (a Molly just killed me), while the other time was the most notorious pirate on the server (Phate). I don't try exceedingly hard to avoid people, I just pick up whatever I feel like that makes a profit. Do I make the most money? No. Do I have fun? Yeah. Make your own routes. Don't worry about what everyone else does.

Trading in a group does help, too. If you do fly where a bunch of other people do, there will be pirates. Ask those people you see passing by if they'd like some company, and convoy up. No matter what kind of a ship you come against, two Transports are much harder to pirate than one, and it only gets exponentially harder for the pirate as the size of the convoy increases..

If you want to help even the odds, though, you could always try local factions. I run the BPA, a peaceful organization, more or less, but, one of the best law enforcement agencies on the server. You could also try trade factions that convoy up and use escorts, but, I can't exactly vouch for their activity.

Hope that helps and I don't ramble...
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