ill start my rant with tau-23
-The RP background is that BMM and img are at war right?
- also Kusari and BMM are at war.
- this makes transportation for BMM difficult to get back into bretonia.
im not complaining so much about the background RP, but more of BMM's irrelevance.
here are all of the faults i see with this system
a) beryllium ore stinks. it is sold in new berlin for 8.5k and the only way to get there is too steamroll through omega or sigma. not happening with BMM. they will die trying to do so. (i have never seen bowex in tau. ever)
b) niobium ore, which is technically controlled by the IMG sells for 5k in Kensington, 10k in new Berlin. again the new berlin problem is still there. but who owns Kensington? gateway!. gateway is allied with IMG! that means if you operate as bmm in tau-23 the gateway are RED to BMM! this is not right!
a-b explain why mining for bmm is broken in tau-23
c) the IMG have waaayyyy more military support and advantages than the BMM in every way. heck, the BMM dont even have a gunboat to use!
d) CR. now this is an RP thing fine, I find it difficult doing anything in the system when im outnumbered as BMM 10-1, and everyone is IMG (this is a symptom of all the above)
e) everything above Dublin, newlondon gets removed in the next mod. in regards to BMM access. as it stands, the next mod didn't come in so i wont really use this as a valid example
f) bowex is bretonian, that means they have the same problem with shipping no matter which direction they go to (cant break the liberty Rhineland siege legally.)
general problems
a) bmm and img ships will cause BAF to open fire in house space due to ID hostility. this is a broken feature but its still a problem
b) the BMM have no ship selection, they have access to no cool ships or weapons, just the civilian garbage. they build BAF's ships, why cant they build their own?!
house space is technically over-mined. the img control most of the border worlds that the BMM have access to. otherwise its controlled by corsairs, and even then BMM don't have a good place to take refuge.
Daumann, IMG, and Kruger are all Rhineland groups. they can negotiate, whereas the GMG and BMM, both have had problems with the IMG.
suggestions: make beryllium a viable sell point in Thames outpost or some other valid sell point in bretonia that is owned by the BMM.
- give BMM more flavor, the only place i see them operate is dublin. at this point, you might as well call the BMM the Bretonia Gold Mining Company
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Ive been only playing BMM for a week or two, but by looking at the faction activity (ive applied, im not in yet) its just clear that the BMM as it stands right now, is a OORP money farming group that server no purpose but to fund peoples' CAP8 armors.
Lets go line by line. Because I'm bored.
' Wrote:-The RP background is that BMM and img are at war right?
- also Kusari and BMM are at war.
- this makes transportation for BMM difficult to get back into bretonia.
im not complaining so much about the background RP, but more of BMM's irrelevance.
here are all of the faults i see with this system
a) beryllium ore stinks. it is sold in new berlin for 8.5k and the only way to get there is too steamroll through omega or sigma. not happening with BMM. they will die trying to do so. (i have never seen bowex in tau. ever)
b) niobium ore, which is technically controlled by the IMG sells for 5k in Kensington, 10k in new Berlin. again the new berlin problem is still there. but who owns Kensington? gateway!. gateway is allied with IMG! that means if you operate as bmm in tau-23 the gateway are RED to BMM! this is not right!
a-b explain why mining for bmm is broken in tau-23
It's supposed to be hard for Bretonia, they're fighting a losing war. BMM's presence in Tau-23 is really a "crap crap crap there's enemies everywhere but we need to get this done" type thing. At least that's how I see it. They have a tiny bit of support from Harris, but other than that they're on their own. Bretonia isn't interested in stopping the IMG as they aren't actively trying to hurt Bretonian business.
' Wrote:c) the IMG have waaayyyy more military support and advantages than the BMM in every way. heck, the BMM dont even have a gunboat to use!
d) CR. now this is an RP thing fine, I find it difficult doing anything in the system when im outnumbered as BMM 10-1, and everyone is IMG (this is a symptom of all the above)
e) everything above Dublin, newlondon gets removed in the next mod. in regards to BMM access. as it stands, the next mod didn't come in so i wont really use this as a valid example
c) That's the IMG's home pretty much. Most of their operations, from what I've seen, are based in the Taus. The armed forces/BMM CAN'T spare a gunboat in the losing war, you're stuck with in-faction or private security.
d) See "c" compared to "a/b" ^^^
e)What are you talking about??? Just remove the taus? Right. I lol'ed.
' Wrote:f) bowex is bretonian, that means they have the same problem with shipping no matter which direction they go to (cant break the liberty Rhineland siege legally.)
Bowex is mainly there as the primary shipper for the government of Bretonia. So anything that has to do with shipping for Bretonian planets/Battleships/Etc, is supposedly done by them. Gateway has good relations with the IMG and other smaller corperations which the Subsidized Government run operations (BMM and Bowex) are too caught up in red tape with.
' Wrote:a) bmm and img ships will cause BAF to open fire in house space due to ID hostility. this is a broken feature but its still a problem
This happens with a lot of factions already, could it be fixed so it isn't straight out hostility? Maybe.
' Wrote:Daumann, IMG, and Kruger are all Rhineland groups. they can negotiate, whereas the GMG and BMM, both have had problems with the IMG.
suggestions: make beryllium a viable sell point in Thames outpost or some other valid sell point in bretonia that is owned by the BMM.
First part; see above. Second part; Yes, that might actually be a good idea.
' Wrote:- give BMM more flavor, the only place i see them operate is dublin. at this point, you might as well call the BMM the Bretonia Gold Mining Company
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Ive been only playing BMM for a week or two, but by looking at the faction activity (ive applied, im not in yet) its just clear that the BMM as it stands right now, is a OORP money farming group that server no purpose but to fund peoples' CAP8 armors.
If you play it like that, then you play it like that, as many people do. I trade on my Gateway because I have an awesome crew setup for him and it's freaking fun as hell to RP with people as him. Do that and you'll be set.
If you ask me, BMM's role in Bretonia is clear. They are the big fish that is fully backed by the government and also catch the most flack for it. They are meant as an internal "manufacturing" company that mines the materials and produces things locally. Period. Foreign export is a thing for Bowex and other companies.
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~Chase
On the whole, BMM has the same problem Synth has. It's supposedly a powerhouse that controls a hell of a lot of assets, and is mightily powerful all things considered. Ingame however, they have a multitude (read horde) of NPC enemies, most of whom having very active playerbases.
Currently, BMM can expect hard times, because they will be lynched by Mollies, Corsairs, (usually) Gaians, IMG, CR, (sometimes) Outcasts, Hogsha and FA. They're supposed to have a large playerbase to counter this, despite the fact that in reality there is a bare minimum of factionalised BMM players, and a fair number of independent ones who wouldn't work together if their lives depended on it - which frequently is the case.
As for point e), he was refering to the fact that Bretonia loses pretty much all of it's territory above New London, seeing as our only route into the Taus is being demolished (see Edinburgh being lost).
And BMM shouldn't be dealing with Gateway, full stop. I'd be in favour of an additional sellpoint being moved to Thames (I believe I was the one who suggested this, heh).
ok so at least that part is admitted, BMM has a smaller player-base than it is supposed to have. what can be done about this? it needs a special RP or something the IMG doesnt have.
ffs the GMG has more, and is more interesting than the BMM.
i forgot to mention that the BMM cant actively engage Corsairs or Gaians, who are listed as hostile anyway
TFA says
Quote:Pilot carrying this ID is employed by Bretonia Mining and Manufacturing (BMM), who :
* Can trade and escort traders,
* Can attack pirates and terrorists in self-defense, to protect another trader, to assist lawful forces or in defence of corporate bases. May also actively hunt Independent Pirate and Molly ID pilots.
* Cannot ally with any unlawfuls,
* Cannot participate in any unlawful actions except against : Kusari lawfuls and Kusari commercial factions, IMG, Kruger, Daumann and Miner ID players within the Omegas and Taus only.
* Cannot land on IMG, Kruger or Daumann bases.
Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Transports, Royal Liners.
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green, i think that any pirate should be able to be engaged proactively. my experience is that these pirates spot a miner, then wait 20 minutes to get 4 more players in the system in order to LOLWUT?! that player. the problem is caused by this problem in the ID. as politics stands now mollys are only hostile to BMM if they carry gold or trespass on arranmore territory. so IMHO this portion of the ID makes no sense
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RED
in tau-23 allying with OC's to attack IMG seems to be a sensible idea. i dont know the agreements with those two factions officially, but seeing how the outcasts have a deal with the BAF against kusari, I think this part of the ID is flawed
' Wrote:in tau-23 allying with OC's to attack IMG seems to be a sensible idea. i dont know the agreements with those two factions officially, but seeing how the outcasts have a deal with the BAF against kusari, I think this part of the ID is flawed
If you do that, the Bret Player Gov't - me included - will lynch you. In short, don't.
Yes, sell your warmongering goods to someone else, Gateway doesnt want your custom :crazy:
On a more serious note there are several good mining fields in Cambridge for BMM, but like the rest of us you will have to run the guantlet of the Omegas to get it to your best sell point.
When the update comes out though i would be prepared for a big change in trade for Bretonia as we are getting our butts kicked yet again by the froggies. Still, wont be long before they raise the whits flag, they are good at it with plenty of practice already :D
@ Slainte
how much do you think local RP for bretonian factions aside from BAF will diminish? as is almost noone plays ID'ed bretonian factions. especially BMM.
the BMM is supposed to have a very important role in the game despite having every disadvantage. lacking a player-base which is much needed makes it exponentially worse
the purpose of this thread is to ask the modders to change this so people start playing the faction