We have a problem. Recently a bunch of LR instructed a independent rogue pilot to move away from an area. When the independent refused to he was attacked. The independant was role playing a rogue acceptably. Official factions are meant to be inclusive not bullies.
The following is an official faction right:
RIGHT 2) Official factions have authority over players of the same NPC affiliation, as long as RP justification is provided. This authority applies in forums and in-game, and applies to player faction diplomacy, and strategic and tactical direction. However, exercise of that authority, on the forums and in game, is restricted to official faction members with the rank of the official faction leader and one rank below him/her. The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances). Official Factions cannot, under any cicrumstances, require another player to follow non-canon RP if that player doesn't want to.
INTENT OF RIGHT NUMBER 2:
The intent of this right is to allow official faction leadership to also provide leadership, with discretion, to independent players, to improve server gameplay, fairplay, and roleplay.
This right is NOT intended to provide the official faction leadership the right to exercise power for its own sake.
An example of "good" exercise of these rights is to require an independent player to not utilize a heavy captial ship against a smaller lone fighter or bomber, or to not enter an existing fight where entering the fight would unbalance it greatly, or to require the independent player to take action or not take action in support of good RP. (ie, ordering the escort of a diplomat, or something equally creative)
An example of "bad" exercise of this right would be to require the player to patrol an empty system, for no particular reason. Requiring the independent to investigate a particular suspicious ship, though, would be legitimate.
Should this sort of behaviour continue, this faction right will be removed or/and the LR official faction status cancelled.
Include independents in your roleplay. Official factions are meant to lead by setting great examples for other players; this is why it takes so long to be approved.
Admin link:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84993
First I wish to see the Proof of this, as I think I know what this is about.
Then I'd like to mention that the whole Liberty Rogue NPC Faction is a loose Group. There are Fights over Money and Cargo and other Stuff. There is Cooperation and there are Fights between Rogues themselves. Honestly I've been acting like that for a long Time now and no, I never acted like that just because I am in the Faction.
Anyway, I want to see the actual Screenshots of this Happening before I continue this.
Actually, no, I don't we will provide proof. It is not necessary; this is a warning. Listen to the warning and adjust your faction's behaviour.
Cannon, this is how Rogues are behaving. How we've been behaving for a long Time and shooting was the last Option.
I still want to see the Proof of this Happening. I don't care if this is a Warning. I just want to know if this is the Happening I am thinking about or not. If it is, then this is just Garbage as we had this Right:
Quote:5.2 All attacks must be the result of some form of role play. "Engaging" is not sufficient. An attack is any hostile action that drains shields to less than 50%. Being hit with a CD is not considered an attack. If a player is attacked he has a right to defend himself regardless of who is attacking.
Quote:the whole Liberty Rogue NPC Faction is a loose Group
...and yet not so loose that several LR- tagged ships together wouldn't have any qualms about ordering non-LR tagged ships to
not do what rogues are supposed to do.
If someone carries the same ID as you, they are, for all intents and purposes (except those listed in the Faction Right) indistinguishable from someone who is in your official faction and should be treated as such. That means not attacking them because they don't follow your unjustified (from a roleplaying point of view) orders to move/shove off/etc...
The faction right is a powerful one, and should be used sparingly.
Could you please stop using complicated Words?
If you're talking about the LR- not having Fights against other LR- and think those don't happen, I can tell you that you are wrong.
As you mention Role Play and the Faction Rights again:
Faction Right #2 Wrote:...The authority may be exercised through the use of in-game in-RP orders, which, if not obeyed, can result in in-game in-RP consequences (arrest, court martial, and even "lethal" force in extreme circumstances)...
We ordered the Rogue to leave, several Times. He was warned, he decided to stay and even attacked me, I suppose it was this Incident as I don't even get any Images or Screenshots as Proof, even though I have asked for them.
Now since when are Admins saying that being greedy and telling another Rogue to leave since there are already three Rogues sitting on the Lane is against Role Play? We acted within Role Play, we ordered him to leave within Role Play and fought within Role Play.
If you think this all happened out of Role Play, then you clearly don't understand the Liberty Rogue Role Play itself.
' Wrote:Could you please stop using complicated Words?
If you're talking about the LR- not having Fights against other LR- and think those don't happen, I can tell you that you are wrong.
As you mention Role Play and the Faction Rights again:
We ordered the Rogue to leave, several Times. He was warned, he decided to stay and even attacked me, I suppose it was this Incident as I don't even get any Images or Screenshots as Proof, even though I have asked for them.
Now since when are Admins saying that being greedy and telling another Rogue to leave since there are already three Rogues sitting on the Lane is against Role Play? We acted within Role Play, we ordered him to leave within Role Play and fought within Role Play.
If you think this all happened out of Role Play, then you clearly don't understand the Liberty Rogue Role Play itself.
We clearly have conflicting views of how the ID system works. Perhaps there has been a misunderstanding. By extension of your role-play, it would be feasible for the LR faction to forbid anyone (edit: ie any other Rogue) not in their faction from using LR bases simply on the grounds of a belief that the Rogues are loosely organised and prone to the occasional internal dispute over money/drugs/loot. That clearly can't happen. It is unfair to players who choose to not join your faction.
It looks like four (or five) rogues ordering a non faction rogue away, firing on him (apparently first) and even ignoring Navy ships in their zeal to rid themselves of him because they didn't want him pirating on the lanes. If three was enough, why didn't the LR- tagged ships tell the fourth one (edit: ie the fourth LR- tagged ship) to move away? If he had been a independent pirate/outcast/whatever, it would have been somewhat understandable but frankly, it looks like the exercise of power for its own sake.
Look, I don't even know what you're talking about. You're telling me some Story, if you want to tell a Story, at least give me the Proof.
We never told any Rogue not to dock on our Bases (not including if they've been FR#5'd), not only because I can't and shouldn't. It'd be something totally different than telling him to get off the Lane, it would be like a Bounty Hunter already fighting a Rogue and another Bounty Hunter appears and wants his Share. Of course you shiny, legendary Bounty Hunter would just tell him to leave, but I'm an old, greedy, dirty, little Rogue that sits with his Gang on his Lane.
I already said, I'm acting like that not because I am in the Faction, even if I'd be an independent Rogue, I'd still act like that. I don't care if I am wearing the Tag while telling someone to piss off or not, I just do it and so would any other Rogue in this Faction. Hell I never even cared about Faction Rights other than Number 5.
And no, I am not the only one thinking that this Warning is completely wrong.
(Underboss of the LR, if you don't want me posting here, just say so and I'll stop.)
For everyone who wasn't there or doesn't know what this is about, here's how it went down:
Schlurbi and three other LR- ships were on the lane. An independent Rogue showed up and wanted to pirate with the LR-. Schlurbi told him to buzz off, and the independent said no. The indie then proceeded to mini razor schlurbi, and the LR ships opened up on the indie.
Since you're conveniently ignoring the part where the indie fired first, I assume you have a problem with the LR- asking the indie rogue to leave. Schlurbi and his crew were accurately roleplaying Rogue characters by telling the other guy to leave. We're a bunch of greedy, money-hungry pirates who won't hesitate to knife another Rogue in the back if it'll earn them a few credits. The creds would have been spread more thinly if the indie stayed, and the LR ships wanted more cash. So they booted the indie to earn more cash.
So why is this warning being issued? The LR- roles were played correctly. Please realize that the indie was not killed for trying to pirate with the LR, but rather because he attacked the LR.
' Wrote:(Underboss of the LR, if you don't want me posting here, just say so and I'll stop.)
For everyone who wasn't there or doesn't know what this is about, here's how it went down:
Schlurbi and three other LR- ships were on the lane. An independent Rogue showed up and wanted to pirate with the LR-. Schlurbi told him to buzz off, and the independent said no. The indie then proceeded to mini razor schlurbi, and the LR ships opened up on the indie.
Since you're conveniently ignoring the part where the indie fired first, I assume you have a problem with the LR- asking the indie rogue to leave. Schlurbi and his crew were accurately roleplaying Rogue characters by telling the other guy to leave. We're a bunch of greedy, money-hungry pirates who won't hesitate to knife another Rogue in the back if it'll earn them a few credits. The creds would have been spread more thinly if the indie stayed, and the LR ships wanted more cash. So they booted the indie to earn more cash.
So why is this warning being issued? The LR- roles were played correctly. Please realize that the indie was not killed for trying to pirate with the LR, but rather because he attacked the LR.
Hang on. I was there just before I had to leave. Schlurbi told the rest of us to lay off him. He wanted a one-on-one. He eventually swapped places with Kozma, but still, I feel like I should mention we didn't gank him.