' Wrote:Good to know. So a fighter for example can come into a fight,fire wave after wave of missiles,but if he is never hit,can run off reload,and come back,and repeat as long as neccesarry. Cause after all.He was never "engaged" as he never had sheilds go "below 50%"
If you engage someone else (get their shields down), then you are engaged. It would be lame if a cruiser could sit at 5k firing missiles, then flying away as soon as his side starts to lose, allowing him to reengage at his leisure.
' Wrote:If you engage someone else (get their shields down), then you are engaged. It would be lame if a cruiser could sit at 5k firing missiles, then flying away as soon as his side starts to lose, allowing him to reengage at his leisure.
At no time did i say the fighter dropped other guys shields. He could just be drawing fire,so others can deal with less numbers. Also if persons shields are already down,then he did not drop them at all. This is what i mean by Rules do not cover all. Yes i know both of these are engaging common sense wise,but a player could argue as the rules do not cover them.
Alot of people instantly flame me,and oh well someone 1000's of KM's away and probly 12 years old means little in RL. But when i ask these thing's it is to make absolutely sure so i do not post a sanction that takes time to read,and waste admins time. After all a player can play for years,and still encounter something new that is not covered 100% by the rules written. Thats all i got to say on the topic.
The rules do cover every situation, it's not just needed to word every single situation to have it 'covered'. There is this thing called 'Common Sense' people need to put in understanding the rules, but seems some fail really hard when it comes to this last part, which happens to be the most important part as well.
When you attack someone, or get attacked by someone and do or take enough damage to cause overall damage of "over 50% of shield", then it's an engagement. Saying "I never shot their shields, I was only hitting their hull" sounds kinda silly, doesn't it? You can't reach the hull if you don't go through the shield first, so when you hit someone's hull, it means you've went past the "over 50% of shield" line.
This "over 50% of shield" is there so people don't shout "Engaging" from 3k away, fire a CD and then tell the target that he's fled when he quickly docks a base.
When common sense applies, as soon as you get into a fight with someone engagement takes place, no matter if you get hit or not. - In many group fights, some of the ships don't get hit at all, as they don't get targeted at all, but when that side decides to run for any reason, the whole group flees, and that certain pilot can't say "I can reenter the system and/or reengage same targets because I never had my shields lower than 50% and I never shot at anyone's shield either, only their Hull".
If the shield of someone went below 50% then there is an engagement
/Troll thread slightly on
Quote:I can reenter the system and/or reengage same targets because I never had my shields lower than 50% and I never shot at anyone's shield either, only their Hull
So, what happens if no shield is mounted?
' Wrote:So, what happens if no shield is mounted?
Then they are engaged as soon as someone starts shooting? That's what I would go with.
' Wrote:At no time did i say the fighter dropped other guys shields. He could just be drawing fire,so others can deal with less numbers. Also if persons shields are already down,then he did not drop them at all. This is what i mean by Rules do not cover all. Yes i know both of these are engaging common sense wise,but a player could argue as the rules do not cover them.
Alot of people instantly flame me,and oh well someone 1000's of KM's away and probly 12 years old means little in RL. But when i ask these thing's it is to make absolutely sure so i do not post a sanction that takes time to read,and waste admins time. After all a player can play for years,and still encounter something new that is not covered 100% by the rules written. Thats all i got to say on the topic.
I tried, but if you're going to act like everyone is trolling you then why bother?
I think it has to do with him being here for a couple of years, being from an english speaking country and still not being able to grasp the simplest of rules Crackpunch.
Oooonly if your shield goes down are you engaged. What a wonderful world where we could engage someone by yelling at them.
Almost like that 'roleplaying' carrier...
"LNS-Blabla launches fighter wings"
"Go.Crazy is critically damaged"
Eeeeeh no.
RP engagement = 'I go pew you know, prepare to defend yourself, or not'
Official engagment starts = When the enemies shield is put down to 50%
So when you start yelling at a target 5k away that you are engaging he can still run and remain in the system as long as you don't take his/her shield down to 50%
I wonder.
If, for example, a trade convoy is going from Tau-23 to New Berlin, and gets attacked in, say, Tau-23... does it apply for their return?
Say a bomber decides to pirate that convoy, and convoy escort (1 VHF) stays to slow him down while the Transport is running.
But this VHF escort is required to catch up with the convoy, so he leaves the bomber and goes to New Berlin.
He never even lost a nanobot, and still he can't come back to Tau-23 on his way back, right?
If that is so, that sucks.
He defended the Transport, that's the only reason he fought the pirate, and he has to stay and kill it or else he's considered fleeing.
*sigh*
just read the rules, man.
if you as a player (or a group of players) with your ship(s) is (are) interacting with another player (or a group of players) and the shield of ANY of those players (from yours or the other group) drops below 50%, it is considered an engagement. you run, you lose. they run, they lose. there are always 2 parties to an engagement. at least two. when it started, it has to end. it ends by:
1 - fleeing 10k from battle
2 - dying
3 - docking
4 - server drop (sun)