problem? has been sanctioned owing to a report posted for:
Quote:Lots of different rules...
Consequences: Fined all credits and guns and stuff. Now in Bastille. Multiple reports. Post here to prove you at least kinda know the rules.
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It seems there is indeed a problem! Very well, I will post.
I have performed many, many nefarious deeds. Here are ones which may be relevant:
- Defending my unlawful escorts from rabid traders
- Pirating mineable commodities from people with Freelancer Miner ID
- Quickdocking on IC bases to save my hide
Now, gentlemen, what seems to be the problem?
Well, problem one. It's YOU who has a miner ID. Last I knew, pirates don't escort miners, they pirate them.
You also pirated a junker of his ore and then went to Puerto Rico to sell it. Miners don't pirate either!
A player in California also tried to pirate you. You refused to pay and docked. When he left, you undocked, called in support and chased him. By rule, after you docked, you should have logged for 4 hours.
First off: Thank you kindly for your prompt reply, sir!
' Wrote:Well, problem one. It's YOU who has a miner ID. Last I knew, pirates don't escort miners, they pirate them.
I am not aware of any line on the Freelancer Miner ID which forbids the player from working with unlawfuls (and helping them earn lots of money.) Would you please show it to me?
' Wrote:You also pirated a junker of his ore and then went to Puerto Rico to sell it. Miners don't pirate either!
I am fairly certain, good sir, that Freelancer Miner ID permits the player to demand
all mineable commodities from
any player! Allow me to procure an incomplete list of such commodities.
Searching...
- Scrap Metal
- Gold Ore
- Beryllium Ore
- Niobium Ore
- Water
- Hydrocarbons
- Artifacts
- Iridium
- Helium-3
- Helium
- Toxic Waste
Additionally, I do remember entering the Puerto Rico system after stealing a lot of good scrap metal, but I do not recall docking on
one single base there! I would
love to see some evidence to the contrary.
' Wrote:A player in California also tried to pirate you. You refused to pay and docked. When he left, you undocked, called in support and chased him. By rule, after you docked, you should have logged for 4 hours.
Good sir, I do believe I was flying the Geisha Luxury Yacht, which is a transport and which thus exempts me from the four-hour rule!
First off the exemption from the 4 hour rule is only for traders, not tradeships, as it seems your primary purpose with your ship is piracy, you dont have the 4 hour exemption. The 4 hour exemption also does not allow you to chase down and attack someone who attacked you.
Also, lets go a bit further, you would like to explain why you think it is acceptable to kill a Zoner outside Freeport 6, and then dock and sell the cargo on Freeport 6? Or would you care to explain why you docked on an IMG base which is a clear violation of your ID? Both of which I witnessed personally, while following you for only a short period of time.
Ah, thank you very much for replying! It is wonderful to hear a variety of opinions on the issue! I will commence my retort on the matter.
' Wrote:First off the exemption from the 4 hour rule is only for traders, not tradeships, as it seems your primary purpose with your ship is piracy, you dont have the 4 hour exemption. The 4 hour exemption also does not allow you to chase down and attack someone who attacked you.
Yes, kind sir, I am quite familiar with this rule! The people in my party arrived to accost a terrifying bandit in a Tridente shortly after he pummeled me into docking with Riverside Station. When I tried to leave the system for New York in a
purely defensive manner, I was thus accosted violently and attacked by said individual once more. I then proceeded to
defend myself.
' Wrote:Also, lets go a bit further, you would like to explain why you think it is acceptable to kill a Zoner outside Freeport 6, and then dock and sell the cargo on Freeport 6?
I do believe that the unfortunate individual "Frozen_Shadow" who encountered vacuum decompression near Freeport 6 was carrying an
[color=#990000]INTERSPACE COMMERCE ID.
I was
not aware this counted as a Zoner ID. Was I incorrect? I verily hope not.
' Wrote:Or would you care to explain why you docked on an IMG base which is a clear violation of your ID?
Yes, yes, good sir, you do have me in a bit of a pinch with this one. I did indeed dock with South Shields Refinery. How despicable! Indeed, a single violation of rule 6.10 seems to have resulted in the loss of over $200 million in assets. Yet I find it quite rude that you kicked and rephacked me multiple times without informing me or posting a report in this forum. Quite rude indeed!
Borderline admin abuse!
Interesting how you told Cannon you never docked on any IMG base. Seems your story changes to fit the person you talk to. Clearly I saw you dock South Shields, so you couldnt tell me you never docked on any IMG base.
As to the ship outside Freeport 6, your right it was a IC ID, with a Zoner IFF, either way, you should not be blowing people up outside a lawful base, then dock at said lawful base to sell the cargo.
Also, Pirate snubs dont need an escort, transports do. You are using something that was worded poorly in the ID to abuse the game and cause a situation that hurts server gameplay. Your use of the argument of escorts is only to give you the right to attack traders you would not be allowed to attack if you were really following the rules of the ID.
' Wrote:Interesting how you told Cannon you never docked on any IMG base. Seems your story changes to fit the person you talk to. Clearly I saw you dock South Shields, so you couldnt tell me you never docked on any IMG base.
Ah, good sir, I simply cannot recall saying such a thing to the fine gentleman Cannon, at all. No, I did not say such a thing.
' Wrote:As to the ship outside Freeport 6, your right it was a IC ID, with a Zoner IFF, either way, you should not be blowing people up outside a lawful base, then dock at said lawful base to sell the cargo.
Apparently, I have been horrifically deceived! I was led to believe that Zoners and Zoner bases are
neutral, not lawful. Certainly, I violated the NFZ, but who cares? Would you care to back up your statement that Zoners are lawful, not neutral?
' Wrote:Also, Pirate snubs dont need an escort, transports do. You are using something that was worded poorly in the ID to abuse the game and cause a situation that hurts server gameplay. Your use of the argument of escorts is only to give you the right to attack traders you would not be allowed to attack if you were really following the rules of the ID.
Good sir, I do recall quite clearly saying that these myriad individuals were escorting me, not the other way around. And yes, I do believe my ship is a transport. According to you, I would "need an escort." So I hired some. Maybe they weren't your cup of tea. Problem?
Quote:Ah, good sir, I simply cannot recall saying such a thing to the fine gentleman Cannon, at all. No, I did not say such a thing.
But you did say there was no need for a rephack for IMG because you cant land on their bases anyway. That was when you knew you had docked on the IMG base correct?
Quote:Apparently, I have been horrifically deceived! I was led to believe that Zoners and Zoner bases are neutral, not lawful. Certainly, I violated the NFZ, but who cares? Would you care to back up your statement that Zoners are lawful, not neutral?
Zoners are lawful and neutral, they are not mutually exclusive. Zoners do not commit unlawful acts and they don't allow them in the vicinity of their bases.
Quote:Good sir, I do recall quite clearly saying that these myriad individuals were escorting me, not the other way around. And yes, I do believe my ship is a transport. According to you, I would "need an escort." So I hired some. Maybe they weren't your cup of tea. Problem?
If you read the Freelancer Miner ID is says you may fire on others to defend ships you are escorting, not ships that are escorting you. So we have another rule violation for you, who claims have been abused and unfairly treated since you havent broken any rules.
' Wrote:But you did say there was no need for a rephack for IMG because you cant land on their bases anyway. That was when you knew you had docked on the IMG base correct?
Of course. A palpable hit! However, fair sir and all your houses, I think a small 6.10 sanction would have sufficed! Perhaps even a reputation adjustment. But I would expect, good sir, to receive some sort of notification as to this reputation adjustment in a public forum such as this fine one in which we sit at present.
The furtive, impermanent, and circumstantial nature of your administrative choices with regards to my character reek of admin abuse, and several people, including leaders of official factions, were quite enraged upon hearing of this incident from me. Actually, they proceeded to guess (correctly) that it was you who performed the stealthy hacking, without any information from me. I may encourage them to write strongly-worded letters to whom it may concern.
' Wrote:Zoners are lawful and neutral, they are not mutually exclusive. Zoners do not commit unlawful acts and they don't allow them in the vicinity of their bases.
Quite true, good sir! Yet may I remind you that individuals who commit unlawful acts in the vicinity of a Freeport risk being exiled from that Freeport after a review by Zoner leaders. Arrogating their privilege of discretion is metagaming and abuse at its worst, fair sir!
' Wrote:If you read the Freelancer Miner ID is says you may fire on others to defend ships you are escorting, not ships that are escorting you. So we have another rule violation for you, who claims have been abused and unfairly treated since you havent broken any rules.
Fair sir! I was not aware in the slightest bit that a trader is not allowed to fire upon a person (say, a pirate) who chooses to fire upon the trader's escort
first. It is common knowledge that traders assist their escorts. Would you care to rebut?