' Wrote:They wanted to make Kusari populated should have had Bret/Kusari join up against common enemy the frenchies.
Ryoken made a fine point here, well indirectly. Kusari originate from Sol Japan right?.... Thats what puzzles me.... Japanese culture is incredibly fixated on honor. And in all of japan's history, they have NEVER willingly submitted to any foe before they reach the point were not even guerilla war can be an option. Which is what makes me wonder.
What part of "kusari" culture would EVER make them submitt to gallia? The picture is all wrong. Kusari pride, regardless of what fool is on the throne, should INRP be so strong that they would fight to the last man for what they call "home"....
Anyway, it might just be me missing out on the picture.
If I recall the KNF Navy was brutally smashed in the Tau's by the Royal Navy, and the Emperor is isolated in Bretonia. The head of the dragon is isolated from the body, leading to easy coups at home.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1095159
Igiss Wrote:Kusari fought fearlessly, but they were outnumbered and outgunned by Gallic fleets that brought in newly equipped ships and well-trained crews. The delay caused by the Kusari attempt at negotiations was in fact very useful for the Royal Navy, since it allowed them to bring up additional forces from Gallia and establish reliable supply lines through Tau-23. Gallia suffered heavy casualties in some of the first battles that took place near the Tau-29 Jump Gate at the hands of the battle-hardened Kusari veterans, but casualties of Kusari were still higher than those of the enemy, and Kusari did not manage to win a single large-scale battle in this war. Throughout these months, four attempts were made to get the Emperor and Shogun back to Kusari, the last attempt using the Newcastle to Tau 31 jumphole, the Satsuma Imperial Yacht was forced to withdraw into the Newcastle Nebula, where it took position, hiding from the Gallic forces, awaiting the next chance to break out and make it back to Kusari.
All in all, the Kusari Navy is a shadow of itself, any real power that is left is either the home garrisons, the Emperor's Royal Ships and their escorts. With the Emperor away from home for months, the news of the sudden new war on Gallia and strategic military defeats, what nation wouldn't rise up against the leaders that are leading them to ruin? For a 'military' style nation to succeed, you need strategic victories.
I compare it to the Falklands War between the UK and Argentina, both sides had a lot of internal problems at the time, and a victory would galvanise the nation, while a loss would tear it up.
One thing I never understood is why not just bring the Exile forces back to Kusari through Rheinland, they are on good enough terms to allow a military convoy to pass through.
Go through the core systems of Bretonia with a handful of ships and no line of supply?
Even if they get to Rheinland, the political ramifications are enormous, possibly leading to Bretonia demanding extradition of the Emperor or face war, which neither House truly wants.
The Emperor is on good terms now with Bretonia. Hence the exiles fighting alon side Bretonia forces. Also they could go through Liberty as Liberty has no issues with kusari. Infact Liberty might even aid the Emperor in regaining control of Kusari as another possible ally if/when Gallia decides to come after Liberty. Just think if Liberty/Rheinland war came to an end, and Liberty/bretonia/Kusari all started hitting back at Gallia? Rheinland may even consider a temp truce so Liberty can go waste resources fighting Gallia while they recover some of thier losses.
So many ways to bring some life back into Kusari, but no one in the remaining OFFICIAL factions are ever trying, and indies cannot do a damn thing.
' Wrote:The Emperor is on good terms now with Bretonia.
This I do not understand, how can after years of war, all is forgiven? Surely the Bretonian public hate this because they've been fighting the Emperor and his forces for years! Resulting in a massive loss of life for both sides.
I can't see how the Bretonian public would tolerate this. :angry:
Well Kusari got smashed by Gallia and Bretonia was smashed by Kusari.
Bretonia in its already crippled position suddenly receives a good chunk of another house's military willing to fight off the people assaulting them. The war is not a hate driven thing or a race driven thing, they are state entities that can still negotiate and cooperate.
Kusari had a mini revolution. A liberal government is in charge. There might be unrest regarding the honourable way, but for now liberal heads prevail.
Kusari as a house has a few other problems than simply being dragged out of a war. Even in 4.85 the activity issue was there: KNF's de facto ZoI was Leeds and that's about it. Now comes the reckoning for a lot of factions because of dropping server activity in general, and Kusari gets the short end of the stick. But all is not lost: I think if the players tried to finally start organising stuff together without the mutual oorp hate that seems to eternally permeate Kusari, they'd be able to get it going again.
The part that would make Kusari submit to Gallia is the same part that made Japan submit to the United States; total annihilation of the bulk of their forces.
I think there's a bit of a misconception about honour floating around. It is a symptom of Japanese society, not the cause or root of it. I guess it's an opinion, but in my experience, all of the visual differences of society there to society in the West come from the emphasis on the group, their actions and opinions especially. In the west, we're all our own individuals and to some extent do not like our individuality being violated, but that's not the case in Japan at all. Honour is simply a product of the social expectations of such a group-centric society; "I must do this to appease the people around me", whether they be family, society at large or a representation of a living God.
There's also the problem of "lets all gang up on the big guy". It never happens, it might be logical; if a class of 30 people ganged up on one big school bully, I don't think it would be very prevalent at all, but that's not how it works. Despite this, it happens enough in discovery already.
And then there's also the gameplay issue; A pair of Kusari Battlecruisers is too much for the GRN, so if you add in the entire Kusari shipline, the entire Bretonian shipline and bits of the Liberty shipline as well, the GRN simply dont have the flexibility in their ships to deal with that. Battlecruisers hardcounter battleships in my experience, which takes away the best thing that the GRN have at their disposal, and with the Kusari Destroyer, there's a counter for any bombers they would field as well (yay size). You can't RP a big bulldozing behemoth of a nation if they're losing every battle because the RP written for them is simply impossible to execute.
Oh wait... I just realised, that's exactly the position the GRN are in because of the Exiles. Wonderful.
' Wrote:I can't see how the Bretonian public would tolerate this. :angry:
Ey you're talking about the lore writers that did Gallia.
Anything is and will be possible 8|
Amazingly, ask the admins and dev's who wrote that.
We all know many things doesn't add up and it were poorly justified.
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