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Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - aerelm - 08-09-2013
Bubbles Reaver, Red Reaver, Flamingo Reaver and Carnelian Reaver (f.k.a. Skinny Reaver) have been sanctioned for:
Consequences:
Quote:8. Server Rule 6.10 states that player reputation and conduct must match player actions.
- Players are responsible for their own reputation status.
- Players must be at least neutral to their employer.
- Players must be hostile to the faction they are targeting in a bounty. This does not apply to assassination missions where the target is a single character.
Consequences:
Mercing One-oh-one: Don't shoot a bounty target if it's not red. Bad things happens to mercs who do.
If you have multiple ships to hunt in different corners of Sirius, and each ship's repsheet is adjusted according to the targets found in that region of space, it's generally advised to keep those ships to those regions and don't wander off with them to places where the registered targets are white. Even if you get involved in a fight which includes a target whom you're not hostile to, you should not post a claim on the kill because then the same screenshot you posted can be used as report material against yourself, like it happened this time.
All your Reaver ships are bastilled indefinitely. Go ahead and make new ships if you want to continue hunting, but make sure they are repped properly this time.
P.S: This also acts as a general warning to the Reavers faction leadership. You're responsible to make sure your members are acting within the rules. If similar sanctions show up again, the faction as a whole will be held responsible, not the individual members in violation of the rules.
If you have multiple ships to hunt in different corners of Sirius, and each ship's repsheet is adjusted according to the targets found in that region of space, it's generally advised to keep those ships to those regions and don't wander off with them to places where the registered targets are white. Even if you get involved in a fight which includes a target whom you're not hostile to, you should not post a claim on the kill because then the same screenshot you posted can be used as report material against yourself, like it happened this time.
All your Reaver ships are bastilled indefinitely. Go ahead and make new ships if you want to continue hunting, but make sure they are repped properly this time.
P.S: This also acts as a general warning to the Reavers faction leadership. You're responsible to make sure your members are acting within the rules. If similar sanctions show up again, the faction as a whole will be held responsible, not the individual members in violation of the rules.
If you post in this sanction and are not directly involved or a leader of the accused person's faction be advised that you are consenting to be subjected to the reprisal of my choice which may involve in game repercussions up to a ban. Blaming members of your immediate family, neighbours, friends, pets, and assorted Orcs, Trolls and any other legendary creatures may result in the use of Admin Right #CTE 750AE
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Haste - 08-09-2013
As the leader of the Reavers at this moment, I'd like to request evidence and all that.
It would be nice to get a better picture of the whole thing in general, to compare it with this sanction for example: http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=95824, where the consequences are much less severe.
I'm assuming more infractions, but it doesn't hurt to ask I suppose.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Loken - 08-09-2013
The difference between this and the example that you linked is an additional thirty violations and four people that have been around long enough to know better.
An official faction should be upholding the rules as an example to others, not ignoring them because it's too much work. I understand maintaining reputations can be a drag, I've been there, but it is part of the rules for a reason.
Also note that the word indefinite means for unspecified amount of time, not permanently. I suggest you talk to the members involved and make sure everyone starts doing things properly.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Haste - 08-09-2013
I understand, although I'd love to have seen a warning months ago before it all piled up to thirty violations. I'd say that would have prevented a lot of these occuring in the first place.
Now, you don't owe anyone a warning, and I'm well aware of that. I just wanted to state that.
Other than that, if the faction-wide consequence is updating our rephacks so we can be green to some factions we hunt for (I.e. Rheinland) and red to some we shoot (I.e. Outcasts), that'd be nice to have without getting sanctioned again. I'll have to figure out exactly which ones are outdated.
And to say something nice as well: I'll talk to the ones involved and try to ensure this doesn't happen again.
Edit:
The request for evidence still stands, if possible. Things like http://i.imgur.com/nJpecCh.png (a scan by Bubbles) for example look a lot like a Tridente without an IFF (as Outcasts have been rephacked red to the ID for longer than Bubbles has been a Reaver). It's quite difficult to be red to IFF-less players.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Reid - 08-09-2013
As I was Bubbles Reaver when I was a Reaver 2 months ago, can I see what I did pls
iirc everything I hunted was rephacked on the Reaver ID
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Andrew Walsh - 08-09-2013
Hey, can I have the evidence regarding the violations that are against me please, I would appreciate it.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Evo - 08-09-2013
Noted. I'm assuming this'll be for my Cougar, BH are like a bar or so away from hostile on that one. In other cases, I've hunted arti smugglers who either didn't have an IFF or were freelancers. No hostile in both cases. Unless I'm overlooking something, as I don't fly much recently. Will get around to fixing it if I fly again.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Loken - 08-10-2013
(08-09-2013, 04:04 PM)Hasteric Wrote: (as Outcasts have been rephacked red to the ID for longer than Bubbles has been a Reaver)Oh really?
I'll send a PM will all the evidence to Haste. Some of it might not be correct but the vast majority of it should apply.
Edit: So after personally reviewing the evidence there are still some examples where reps are wrong but the majority are inconclusive or completely irrelevant. The warning still stands that you need to watch your reputations more closely.
The ships will be released from Bastille within the next day or so.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - bloogaL - 08-10-2013
I'll ask for a little clarification on this then, if I may. What are we supposed to do about a target using no IFF? Is using a ship without IFF a free ticket out of being hunted for bounty contracts? Because quite a bit of the evidence shown was of us shooting players with no IFF.
As for the rest of the infractions, I don't feel like we were harming gameplay or getting any kind of advantage by being neutral to BHG, so the fact that the initial decision was bastille for an indefinite time seems a little over the top.
It also seems a little odd that the attacking party should be the one responsible for making sure that enemy bases shoot them, and not the other way around.
Oh, and do we get the bonus of you guys fixing our rep's for us like these guys did?
(08-10-2013, 12:03 PM)Loken Wrote:Yes, really. That player had no IFF, if I remember correctly, so there's not a lot we can do about being hostile.(08-09-2013, 04:04 PM)Hasteric Wrote: (as Outcasts have been rephacked red to the ID for longer than Bubbles has been a Reaver)Oh really?
(08-10-2013, 12:03 PM)Loken Wrote: I'll send a PM will all the evidence to Haste. Some of it might not be correct but the vast majority of it should apply.
Edit: So after personally reviewing the evidence there are still some examples where reps are wrong but the majority are inconclusive or completely irrelevant. The warning still stands that you need to watch your reputations more closely.
The ships will be released from Bastille within the next day or so.
So... Did the team just not actually look at the evidence properly the first time around? That's kind of worrying.
RE: Players Sanctioned: Four Reaver Members - Haste - 08-10-2013
(08-10-2013, 12:03 PM)Loken Wrote: Edit: So after personally reviewing the evidence there are still some examples where reps are wrong but the majority are inconclusive or completely irrelevant. The warning still stands that you need to watch your reputations more closely.
The ships will be released from Bastille within the next day or so.
That's good to hear. The ones involved have now seen that they need to keep a closer eye on their reputations, mostly in regards to the BHG.
I'm assuming that the.. debatable nature of much of the evidence simply slipped through because of the sheer number of unprocessed reports. A closer look by the involved admins would have been appreciated, however, as that "over thirty" number told to me earlier seems rather inaccurate in hindsight.
Anyhow, thanks to everyone who's given this another look for their time.