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Let's fix this - Garrett Jax - 06-30-2016
Yes, it's possible to fix this. I've always told my children that it's never too late to start making wise decisions. In almost every situation, this is true.
Currently, the Community is fractured and angry. It's not difficult to see how this anger has manifested itself. Frustration has caused extraordinary levels of upset. Threats, both personal and general, have been issued, causing at least one Admin to leave.
What is the lesson to be learned here? It's that even good decisions, when handled in a poor way, can end up doing more harm than good.
It doesn't have to be like this. The Community and the Greens can be at peace. Both groups, in general, have the interests of the server at heart. Both groups, in general, wish to have a fun and enjoyable time. Both groups, in general, wish to get along with one another in a productive and satisfying relationship.
So what is the fix?
Suggestions for the Admins:
Be humble. The Community is toxic, no doubt. But, could you have presented the facts leading to the decision in a more clearer way? Were the banned players warned ahead of time that they might be banned? Because right now, every single member of the Community has a right to be concerned that they may be banned at a moment's notice based on the fact that they might have angered/annoyed a player or faction. When a child becomes problematic and troublesome, many times it's the parent that has to make the change in order to see their child improve. Likewise, If you want the Community to be less toxic, it is up to you, as Admins, to start making changes in how you operate.
Be consistent. Nothing frustrates the Community more than to see rules applied unequally. Why do some players seem to get away with murder while others get hammered hard? I realize you made a new revised ruleset, with a consistent punishment system, which I believe can help, but did all the players you banned deserve the same punishment? I know it's incredibly convenient to brush all annoying members with the same paint stroke, but you lose more than you gain by doing so. You've alienated the Community even more and you've shaken the faith of some of your most loyal and faithful members. It takes effort to work with Community members on a case by case basis. However, the Community is small enough that it's definitely worth the effort. Would you rather spend your time helping explain to someone how their behavior is harming server gameplay, or spend your time huddled in your skype chat, praying that this emotional wave of rage blows over soon? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as the saying goes.
Be courageous. There is nothing courageous about making an announcement with an anonymous Admin account. There is nothing courageous about having your heads in the sand, bitching about how toxic the Community is. You guys, for the most part are fully capable of making good decisions. Make them. Stand by them. Back them up with clear explanations. Everyone knows which Community members are causing problems. If you can't write down a clear and reasonable explanation for why you take a certain action, then the action shouldn't be taken. If you can explain it clearly, then stand by it and own it. That is what good leadership does and that's what the Community rightly expects from you.
It's not too late to fix this. I realize you all may be angry and hurt at the Community's reaction. Please, try to look past that and listen to what I'm advising. I have nothing to gain by posting this. It is only to help the server function in a more productive way in which good Admins and Community members don't leave out of a sense of frustration.
~Bob
RE: Let's fix this - Xenon - 06-30-2016
Do you think that the community is angry because of the bans?
No they are not, it's just the friends of the banned people in which 90% of them act the same as the banned people but their time did not come yet.
There are many who feel that the server is now more clean than before, since lots of trouble makers are gone, starting with @"Snak3" ending with @Impyness
The admin who left stated clearly why he left... he left because of the same people threatening and escalating thing and cross all the red lines. Actually admins are human beings just like all of us, and they get angry and feel depressed when they dedicate lots of time to make this place better and then they meet such behavior from this minority of bad players.
You've been an admin before yourself and things weren't going to the right side... anyway, you request from the admins to show the community what these guys did ? just read the forum posts and watch their attitude. Check the amount of sanctions happened on their accounts .. check how many troubles happened to tens of players because of these group meeting over teamspeak, exchanging information ooRP and cause damage to the server. There are a lot to see, and all you will need to do is browsing the forums specially the sanctions section.
Please don't give the issue more than it deserve, because the community is not afraid of getting banned without a reason, because it NEVER happened on discovery ... at least during the long years i played here.
Please also read the admins thoughts on the ban thread... every admin said something and from the conclusion of what they said, you can easily know that these bans didn't come out of the blue. There were reasons and not normal reasons, but very bad ones.
I know that your intentions are good and that you want to help the server, but when you see bad players around then this will not help the server at all. But banning those bad apples will let the rest of the stock live and increase and the server will reach a glorious status. ..... Also just a side note, people got banned, second day server and TS get DDOS'd ... think about it, i am not accusing anyone, but think about it ... A 5 years old child can estimate where it's coming from.
RE: Let's fix this - Emperor Tekagi - 06-30-2016
(06-30-2016, 06:50 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote: have nothing to gain by posting this. It is only to help the server function in a more productive way in which good Admins and Community members don't leave out of a sense of frustration.
And once again you prove yourself as one of the most understanding persons around here.
But you are right: both sides made their mistakes and both sides are still able to fix it. Would really like to see things going a normal less dramatic way again.
(Looking forward to see how many of your advices will be heard by them)
RE: Let's fix this - Emperor Tekagi - 06-30-2016
(06-30-2016, 07:07 PM)Mark Hamann Wrote: Also just a side note, people got banned, second day server and TS get DDOS'd ... think about it, i am not accusing anyone, but think about it ... A 5 years old child can estimate where it's coming from.
This could have been anyone. Some of the banned people, some of their friends or just another random attack (even though latest is unlikely I know). Just calm down. It happened and whoever did it just trolls around and everyone knows this. Let him/her/whoever troll and waste money.
RE: Let's fix this - Kauket - 06-30-2016
(06-30-2016, 07:07 PM)Mark Hamann Wrote: Do you think that the community is angry because of the bans?Uhm. Yes. Yes they are angry because of the bans. They lacked strength, meaning, reasoning and morale.
No they are not, it's just the friends of the banned people in which 90% of them act the same as the banned people but their time did not come yet.
And I wish to say that, well, Jax has the right idea. I don't like this drama and I wish that everyone can see to reason and hear out to each one-another.
RE: Let's fix this - Laxxy - 06-30-2016
(06-30-2016, 07:13 PM)Auzari Wrote: I don't like this drama and I wish that everyone can see to reason and hear out to each one-another.
It might help if the admins start addressing the concerns REAL soon. We've already had a handful of players leave because of the recent bans...
RE: Let's fix this - Unlucky_Soul - 06-30-2016
Good Words there Garrett.
I believe fixing this requires the community doing something in return as well. It has to be a two way street.
Mark.... Theres always two sides of a story, like a coin.
RE: Let's fix this - Sanctions - 06-30-2016
Such autocracy of course can not be tolerated. Next time they should at least listen to what the community says first, before making such dramatic decisions against people. In some way, Admins shall serve to the people after all, just like politicians of a sort. May not sound pleasantly though.
None of those banned ones were ever close to me anyhow, but still it's a pity to see them hammered down in such a cruel way.
Garrett, I was never in any good relations with you, however, you're that piece of maturity this community lacks at the moment. Need more oldies like you back. Somewhy I'm glad to see you here, alive, with that great amount of SNACs onboard :3
And actually, there would no such drama around, if the greens provided us with some really clear reasons of the made actions.
RE: Let's fix this - Xenon - 06-30-2016
(06-30-2016, 07:21 PM)Unlucky_Soul Wrote: Mark.... Theres always two sides of a story, like a coin.
understood, i wish the server good luck, and i am always down to help whenever needed.
All my intentions are for the sake of the server success, because i am a part of it.
I will wait and see if these words will be heard but i am sure that there is more to be said from the admins side
The admins don't ban people random without reasons, just rest assured about that.
RE: Let's fix this - Thyrzul - 06-30-2016
(06-30-2016, 07:07 PM)Mark Hamann Wrote: Also just a side note, people got banned, second day server and TS get DDOS'd ... think about it, i am not accusing anyone, but think about it ... A 5 years old child can estimate where it's coming from.
A 5 years old child can understand that when someone with a bit more insight into server stuff, who surely knows better where DDoS attacks come from (read: Alley), says it's not them, then it's not them.
Now can you please stop posting?
Now can you please stop posting?