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Echo Corps | Feedback - Echo Corps - 06-02-2018
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RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Aazalot - 06-02-2018
Just reading through it, i really like the concept and idea however i dont understand why your Tag and what not is Zoner. I appreciate that the faction stems from "the fearless" however in its current form it sounds more Order/Freelancer then Zoner.
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Echo Corps - 06-02-2018
(06-02-2018, 12:07 PM)Aazalot Wrote: Just reading through it, i really like the concept and idea however i dont understand why your Tag and what not is Zoner. I appreciate that the faction stems from "the fearless" however in its current form it sounds more Order/Freelancer then Zoner.
The tag is Echo, but the IFF and ID are Zoner.
The reason for this is not actually because of the name of the Bretonian ship being "Fearless", but because of the idea that it would be an organization hidden from plain view, and whats more unobtrusive than just another zoner in the borderworlds?
Order wouldn't work for two reasons, 1 being obviously that the Echo Corps sees them as fakes. The second being that they are a known entity.
I trust that answers your question?
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Aazalot - 06-02-2018
Yeah kinda i guess, it just feels like another Faction who other then using a Zoner IFF/ID arnt actually Roleplaying as Zoners at all. Zoners arnt the "guardians of humanity" or any some such. Much like other recent Zoner factions i can name it just feels like the ID/IFF is being used for technical reasons and nothing more.
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Lythrilux - 06-02-2018
Another Order-but-it's-not faction? Even though you do list reasons for not picking up the Order ID, I'd say that pertains more to the Order| player faction rather than the NPC faction. Or if not that, it just feels like another Auxesia. Honestly, for the points I'm about to list, the faction would be more believable if it had an Order ID.
The Nomads weren't activated until shortly before the Nomad war and would have been in stasis until that point, and were not around when the Fearless was surveying the Edge Worlds. With that in mind, as well as several other factors, I don't see how Echo Corps could be at the 'cutting-edge' of technology. You'd most certainly lag behind the Corsairs at most, who have had greater exposure to alien technology without Bretonia pinching their finds or research. I think you've bent a bit too much vanilla lore here.
I also can't help feeling that it's cheesy that you've said how the Echo Corps "carefully manipulated and infiltrated society for nearly 200 years". I really don't feel like the scope of your organisation can justify this, and even then it's still a bit silly. Although you are trying to make attempts to RP this, which is good, the question remains: who would start syphoning money and resources to a random group of Zoners?
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Sombs - 06-02-2018
I hope your write-up doesn't cut into what BAF had in mind about the Fearless. https://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=149390&pid=1882236#pid1882236
Maybe you can talk to BAF about it.
Peronally, I don't know what to think about an organization of badass shadow Zoner with 200+ years of history that found all the big secrets of the Omicrons before most other people and then just remained silent about it. It sort of sounds like the Order before it was known as the Order (and before it was known as mass-murdering terrorists that threaten to blow up cities with nuclear weapons). I get the idea why it is using Zoner IFF and ID, although I don't know if it matches too well. I guess the choice is merely based on a compromise.
What I don't like is the infiltration aspect. That is because such things are very tricky with this community. It is very hard to do, and certain order-related faction characters are highly disliked for not just having tricked the inRP characters but also the ooRP people behind the characters. Best example here is the administration of Freeport 10, who, directly after getting the position as administrator, was revealed to be an agent of <O>, which is inRP okay, but ooRP a rather crappy move towards the CoF back then. I hope such things won't find repetition with EC.
The other way around, I don't like the Manx story. Over and over again people come up with ways to identify incubi/infected people by remote scans and what not. I have no idea where this attempt to power-up characters and ships with that ability comes from, but it annoys me. I personally think the means of detecting nomad infiltrators should be very, very, very limited and more based on cleverness than on ranged technology or in this case, cats. I do like the idea of mentioning the manx, however, since Sirius generally lacks information and detail on flora and fauna, with one of the very few exceptions being things like the Pirasharq of Nuremberg, or the meanwhile-established Chiwi bird on Curacao, or Core's description of Nauru's untamable wildlife.
I'm also not sure whether a hidden station in some uncharted region makes it less far-fetched. Why not basing on a station or planet that makes it less obvious and less edgy? The Fearless was probably not the only ship out there to roam around in uncharted territory. Space is big. And there are many space-faring people in Sirius.
All in all, I have really mixed feelings about this. The Echo Corps is written as a high-tech, super-influental (but also not) group of badass-Zoners that are doing what Order should do, having a solid, unbuckling history for more than 200 years and are described as pretty much untouchable, basing themselves in an uncharted system somewhere out there. It's... edgy. It sounds overpowered in terms of traits and reminds me of the Vergil I-can-access-everything stuff, Nomad illusion/mindcontrol, Blix-impostors and other mystery stuff that is made to make oneself look more interesting, which backfires extremely in this community of people who prefer to interact with characters that are at max as powerful as the ingame abilities can reflect.
Sorry for not finding more neutral words, but I feel like this is not a faction I would like to interact with, by the description of it. Doesn't mean I won't give it a shot, but not without an uncomfortable feeling.
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Echo Corps - 06-02-2018
(06-02-2018, 12:42 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: Another Order-but-it's-not faction? Even though you do list reasons for not picking up the Order ID, I'd say that pertains more to the Order| player faction rather than the NPC faction. Or if not that, it just feels like another Auxesia. Honestly, for the points I'm about to list, the faction would be more believable if it had an Order ID.
While I can see your viewpoint on this, I'd like to state now, firmly, that the Order ID is not an option due to the already known and uncovered nature of the order. Zoners blend in, can move more or less freely through most regions, and have the ability to work their ways into places that they are needed in due to their unique nature as frontiersmen and explorers of Sirius.
Quote:The Nomads weren't activated until shortly before the Nomad war and would have been in stasis until that point, and were not around when the Fearless was surveying the Edge Worlds. With that in mind, as well as several other factors, I don't see how Echo Corps could be at the 'cutting-edge' of technology. You'd most certainly lag behind the Corsairs at most, who have had greater exposure to alien technology without Bretonia pinching their finds or research. I think you've bent a bit too much vanilla lore here.
In regards to Vanilla lore, we had the hard task of deciding which parts of lore would be adherred to. Some of Vanilla lore has been altered so much that it contradicts itself, while others remain unchanged. In particular, I decided that, perhaps heretically to some, that instead of remaining purist to vanilla lore, I would blend the discovery lore into it, since it is a continuation of vanilla storyline. When I say cutting edge tech, I'm not talking about ships that can out perform others, I'm talking about smaller things that can't be represented in game. Things that a group of less than a thousand people might find invaluable due to their self-imposed isolationism.
Quote:I also can't help feeling that it's cheesy that you've said how the Echo Corps "carefully manipulated and infiltrated society for nearly 200 years". I really don't feel like the scope of your organisation can justify this, and even then it's still a bit silly. Although you are trying to make attempts to RP this, which is good, the question remains: who would start syphoning money and resources to a random group of Zoners?
This one is perhaps the iffy subject, but that's a failing more of mine than the readers. It's not a large organization. It's not fleets upon fleets and stations among stations. I've made one reference to a station outside the navmap, sure, but that's deliberately not something touchable by in game actions so that it doesn't become a Freeport drama. The vision is one of an organization that is more well placed and connected than sizeable. I'm not talking about having a person in every cabinet, but maybe having the transcriber of that meeting. People who couldn't change much, but could tip the scales just enough in the Echo Corps favor for them to gain a small advantage. Again, this is in the spirit of having information that other information might make valuable, not having detailed plans and blueprints. Things to just reinforce the idea of a group trying to subtly prepare humanity for something that might not even be coming.
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Nodoka Hanamura - 06-02-2018
Okay.. as someone who is starting up a somewhat similar faction - Don't get me wrong, more choice is always a good thing - this just feels off to me. I can't put my finger on it.
One problem I *can* put my finger on is being friendly with Hogosha and Junkers. I'm sorry, but that's not how that works, unless you're wanting to take the approach I'm taking to it, and being covert about it. Hogosha don't like Junkers, and Junkers are persona non grata in Kusari. Other than that, and this is probably because of my tendancy to take favor towards factions with a visible inRP history that has been done inRP (see Auxesia, TASKFOR Scarabaeus), but this faction feels off to me, and it also uses a ID that doesn't make sense for the goals it seeks to partake in. You can't carry the Zoner ID and then go and claim you want to shjote Order. Zoners are inherently Neutral for the sake of self-preservation. They're recluses on the grand stage, wanting to be left alone. This faction goes against that.
This feels like Just another Order resistance faction to me.
Again, I don't want to **** on your parade, But I don't really think this kind of faction will stand the test of time, and its' efforts should be focused on the other up and coming factions or in existing ones.
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - LaWey - 06-02-2018
I feel there good idea, but you made mistake reveal all in write up. This is would've much more interesting if you have made write-up in way like full legal commercial corp which covert intelligence operations. Like low-rank members just join it, freelancers work for it, but from some moment, they begin realise they became a agent, pawn and cannot leave it.
I feel more good would've make only allusions on conspiracy in first write up, and begin slowly reveal it inRP way after some time. Dont know, how you will play it now, because its really like another Order/Aux things. But anyway i will look how far you'll go, it's interesting.
RE: Echo Corps | Feedback - Sombs - 06-02-2018
Transparency is the best you can do in this community, Anton. It is one thing to trick inRP characters. It is another thing to trick the people behind the characters - the latter is something you should never aim for in this community, because it WILL backfire.