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RE: ZA: End war talk - Crackpunch - 08-26-2013
Spaz, you're cool and all, but you've joined the group of people that have come in and said "I don't know what this is really about, what's going? Here's my judgement."
RE: ZA: End war talk - sindroms - 08-26-2013
Well, I really have no idea what the big fuss is about. That is what I meant to say.
EDIT: Well, no, what I want to say is that I simply do not understand what the big fuss is about. Are the Order are claiming that some group is acting against the lore or something or that they are powergaming?
RE: ZA: End war talk - DarthBindo - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 06:58 AM)sindroms Wrote: Well, I really have no idea what the big fuss is about. That is what I meant to say.
EDIT: Well, no, what I want to say is that I simply do not understand what the big fuss is about. Are the Order are claiming that some group is acting against the lore or something or that they are powergaming?
That would be really silly, seeing as how O-74 is a Zoner Guard system, originally owned by the Omicroners, at which few would dare enter, and only at their peril.
Not to mention that the ZA didn't powergame "oh we locked down the system".
They went full hog and built like thirty or fourty defensive platforms around POBS at the holes, literally locking down the system.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Scumbag - 08-26-2013
To anyone that does not understand: Let this be clear:
Everyone is atacking ZA because of their attitude. They "no rp anymore", everyone who has a different opinion is stupid and "should go die somewhere", they don't understand or don't want to understand how RP works and don't really care anyway.
The wars, the drama, threads over threads is just a NORMAL response of this community. And that it's how it should be, even the human body responds to parasites and viruses by inflaming itself.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Thyrzul - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 05:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: When the hell did the order become the massive military force we see here?
And when did the Zoners became as such?
(08-26-2013, 05:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: Everyone is like they are allies right?
That is why it is barely understandable why the ZA acts so hostile.
(08-26-2013, 05:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: Why are the Order allowed to be uncompromising in their principles but not the ZA?
Because they are still the bigger ones inRP.
(08-26-2013, 05:22 AM)Zelot Wrote: Mind you I have not been following closely,
'Nuff said.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Jinx - 08-26-2013
apart from rather one sided accusations flying around here, i only have a few things i do wonder about rather much
- the order focusses very much on nomad remains, but from what i remember - their main concern ( for a good reason ) was ARTIFACTS - not squishy remains of nomads.
what started the nomad war and all the trouble was living nomad parasites in humans, which we do not have as a commodity. the other problem was manufactured artifacts that posed a major danger to humanity due to their rather enigmatic nature.
in the past however - the order has not only accepted the free distribution of such artifacts but literally endorsed it - they became allies with the one major faction that would dig them up - and transport them to the coreworlds ... and not to be handled by responsible people there - but to be given to the highest bidder.
so i am not quite sure how that fits into the fundamental view of the order right now.
- then there is the nature of the alliance of the order its actual capabilities. - the order is hard pressed by the core - so much that both faction experience a sort of military stalemate - not so much as a trenchwar - but it is more a war of attrition.
the original idea of the alliance between zoners and the order was that the order has - like the BHG btw. - nearly no infrastructure. they do not have transports nor the striking personality and charisma to go shopping where the stuff they need is sold.
in terms of RP - the order should allow the zoners about as much leeway as they allowed the corsairs. - unless it is proven that unknown alien artifacts are much less dangerous than alien biological remains. but the order never instated a law that forced corsairs at gunpoint to only transport 9 artifacts at a given time - cause lets be honest - they would have been met with laughter and return fire. ( not necessarily by the characters in game only - but mostly by the community )
in general - if that is meant to be a mending talks - i d like demands for all sides to compromise, not just one side - otherwise it is not "talks about the end of the war" but demands and accusations ( and insults )
edit: mind you - the recent reactivation of the pob defenses was a really moronic thing to do, imo. - almost as stupid as - regarding to the skypelogs i read - the reason that started the conflict.
edit2: why do i find it odd? - back in 4.84/85 - i used to farm nomad remains, superior brains etc. - and sold them to the CRI in cambridge. not only was the Order fully OK with that - they even sold me some they had sometimes - for a price of course. ( and that includes official order players as well as indie order players ) - no one EVER had a problem with a zoner farming nomads for money. it was early days "mining" in a way - and the reason my ship has some 10k kills ( most of them nomads )
RE: ZA: End war talk - Omicron - 08-26-2013
Zelot, go home and dont comment on something you dont even follow properly.
It started between ZA and AI technically. The hobo alliance built a station right into the jumphole itself which might had some problems when traveling in really big ship. AI moved right in and demanded deconstruction of this obstacle which happened.
Later, Phoenix (Omicroners) got pissed off on ZA installation right inside Livadia shipyard which was even named exactly the same. Serious argument broke out which was stopped by The Order's intervention (invited by Phoenix), destroying base when ZA was forced into submission.
At some point, Order found nomad remains & blasters on ZA installations. We demanded them to hand over everything which they did. Unfortunately for them, ZA destroyed AI base, causing the second's to invade Omicron 74 to kill all hobo they see. ZA locked down system promptly, pissing off Order who has been using this system for years, causing yet another invasion.
The way we reached situation of today, ZA was unable to follow any kind of peace treaty ever made with them.
EDIT: To dear Jinx. Before you start calling me various still not-bannable terms after you run out of arguments let me tell you this. Alliance with Corsairs was broken, where one of the reasons was total incompability of those two groups - melded by devs, not by players. If anything, it is not fault of Order players here. ZA is too insignificant to cause Order to loose ground to Core.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Kazinsal - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 11:12 AM)Jinx Wrote: what started the nomad war and all the trouble was living nomad parasites in humans, which we do not have as a commodity.
So what you're saying is the Wilde pilot in my Marauder's cargo hold isn't real? Dang!
RE: ZA: End war talk - Jinx - 08-26-2013
you have a point, kaz - so i stand corrected - apparently we do have a commodity for the living thing. - it does not quite answer my point about the fundamental view on the remains vs. the artifacts though.
and i could totally understand the orders view on carrying loads of Wild pilots in their hold - or a PoB filled with countless Wild - a great RP thing ... yet i doubt that was the case here.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Omicron - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 11:12 AM)Jinx Wrote: edit2: why do i find it odd? - back in 4.84/85 - i used to farm nomad remains, superior brains etc. - and sold them to the CRI in cambridge. not only was the Order fully OK with that - they even sold me some they had sometimes - for a price of course. ( and that includes official order players as well as indie order players ) - no one EVER had a problem with a zoner farming nomads for money. it was early days "mining" in a way - and the reason my ship has some 10k kills ( most of them nomads )
Let me tell you why: I was not leader of The Order in 4.84 (hell, I wasn't even then on the server) and something like half of 4.85. Things changed since then, go out of your cave and see disco progressing.