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Firefly - Akumabito - 09-15-2008
' Wrote:I believe he refers to the fact that he believes that you think your opinion is worth more than others, as opposed to this particular instance.
I don't care what he refers to, he just wants to make it personal instead of staying with the subject.
If we mostly agree that imports are bad, why should this import remain in the next version? It can be removed from a sellable base. People who already have it will still have it, but no more people can buy it, and it will gradually go away.
It's not like there is some shortage of transports in the game.
All the imports could be done that way, and the next disco version can be import free except for hold-overs.
No player wipe needed.
The only place opinion really comes into play is for the people that argue import x is good, import y is bad. I am not stating that any one import is better or more suited than any other. I say we leave opinion out and treat them all the same.
Firefly - Doom - 09-15-2008
Although i do not know how many ships are in this mod, removing selling points of all imports would seriously affect gameplay, balance and reduced number of available ships for new players.
So, before you continue this fight for removing all imports think about the fact that some factions out there depend on imported ships and until suitable replacement is submitted none of selling places of imported ships will be removed.
The fact you think it is the way it should been done, doesn't mean it must be done.
Imports will be replaced in time, but not all at once, and definitely not based only on your opinion.
And don't tell me that its not only your opinion that imports are bad, i know that, but your argumentative posture doesn't help your cause.
Firefly - Akumabito - 09-15-2008
' Wrote:Although i do not know how many ships are in this mod, removing selling points of all imports would seriously affect gameplay, balance and reduced number of available ships for new players.
How so? It will not affect balance, that doesn't exist. It will reduce the number of ships but then the ships being reduced are imports that hurt gameplay because they are from some other game universe and they make a joke of immersion.
There are enough ships available to compensate.
Firefly - Marburg - 09-15-2008
' Wrote:I don't care what he refers to, he just wants to make it personal instead of staying with the subject.naw, it's not personal, just wanted to take a moment to try point out that because of your history of attitude, your opinions are completely invalid to a vast many people here.
Now my digression is over:P
Firefly - Doom - 09-15-2008
IMG will lose every single ship to their name, Hessians would lose their only capital ship, corsairs would lose GB..should i continue?...LSF would lose their ship, a lot of balanced transport ships would be gone reducing transports to trains and transport ships along with medium house transports (but rheinland would lose behemoth)...
wait before next release is out then be the judge...number of ship replacements is overwhelming...
Firefly - Akumabito - 09-15-2008
' Wrote:IMG will lose every single ship to their name, Hessians would lose their only capital ship, corsairs would lose GB..should i continue?...LSF would lose their ship, a lot of balanced transport ships would be gone reducing transports to trains and transport ships along with medium house transports (but rheinland would lose behemoth)...
wait before next release is out then be the judge...number of ship replacements is overwhelming...
IMG ships are not needed actually, the NPC's fly the civvi line, right? So that's what they can fly.
That's within RP, and this is an RP server, right? Not battlestar galactica.
Hessians, hmmm I've never seen their cap ship so I'm not sure what it actually is, but they use borderworld ships as NPC's, so that leaves them with OC caps available within RP.
Is the corsair lunchbox an import? It should be gone anyway for game balance.
Same with the BH GB. It's out of balance and a SW ship.
And aren't a lot of these already out in the next version? So many of your examples are null and void.
Firefly - Cawdor - 09-15-2008
take a look at that list over here:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17040
only one word comes into my mind when reading it: patience.
it will be done, there is a lot of support from the modellers, but it wont be done over night. remember that all those folks are doing the work for fun and not for money. so be patient.
Firefly - Akumabito - 09-15-2008
' Wrote:take a look at that list over here:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=17040
only one word comes into my mind when reading it: patience.
it will be done, there is a lot of support from the modellers, but it wont be done over night. remember that all those folks are doing the work for fun and not for money. so be patient.
What's wrong with just stopping the availability of some of these? Several of them are hardly used or seen, others like the battlestar ships really don't belong, and others like the star trek nemisis ship the server would be better without.
Firefly - bluntpencil2001 - 09-15-2008
' Wrote:What's wrong with just stopping the availability of some of these? Several of them are hardly used or seen, others like the battlestar ships really don't belong, and others like the star trek nemisis ship the server would be better without.
Because people fly them. There is obviously demand there for them. Now, if they were replaced, they could fly the replacements... but removal would only get rid of things that are used by people.
Firefly - Bjorn - 09-15-2008
Only low level hessian NPC's fly borderworld, higher ranking ones fly Aesir line. So do players since it is line made for them.
Even if BHG gunship is import, you can fight them in missions.(Crete, 700+missions)
High level dragon NPC's fly blood dragon instead of dragon.
Taking this in account, and taking that we want to make uniqe line for most factions because original 8 lines were not sufficient for current status, imports for now are placeholders for ships that will follow.
Myself, I fly Viper II on SCRA, and not becuase I like BSG(and also I only seen one episode of it) but because it is ship that suits what I want from fighter and is also only one avalibe to me regarding faction status(Other are Eagle and RT) that I want to fly. If new model comes that has same statistics and same avalibility, I will take that instead.
Similary once long time ago I found myself in Whale becuase I was not able to afford ADV. Train, and Whale was best choice, and it fills place of vunerable transport with lots of cargo.
When I started game, my third ship was Kadesh LF, once again because its stats and price, not looks.
Leave imports be untill we find better way to fill holes we need. Jinx, Xing, AoM, Eppy and many others are trying their best making up new ships that fit in. That is long term work, and hard one too. Give it time. You cannot expect that because You personaly do not wish to see imports that they will be cut off. Cutting them off is same to cutting fingers off your hand.