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"Cutlass" Bomber - Seth Karlo - 05-31-2009
I think it should be heavier than the current model.
I personally didn't like the LPI bomber at all, I thought it was pretty ugly to be honest, but you are getting a lot better with every model you make. My suggestion would be to add a few more bit onto it. The Stilleto isn't a straight down bit from the dagger, it has a wide bit on the bottom... Perhaps adding small sticky out bits might work? I'm not sure, but it's a Sabre with a bomber powerplant in my opinion, and it will have bomber strafing and turning, which will just be weird on such a light ship.
Seth
"Cutlass" Bomber - gezza999 - 05-31-2009
' Wrote:I think it should be heavier than the current model.Err, the Falcata in use now or the latest model that Nighthawk has designed?
"Cutlass" Bomber - Grumblesaur - 05-31-2009
Maybe move the torp pods in the space between the wings and the fuselage?
"Cutlass" Bomber - n1kodemus - 05-31-2009
Looks way better than the Falcata.
Fits the BW series fighters very well, as it's meant to.
I'd love to see the Falcata replaced by that.
"Cutlass" Bomber - Eppy - 05-31-2009
' Wrote:Cinquedea (long dagger/short sword).
Curtana (ceremonial sword).
Curtana's taken, that's what I'm using for my bomber.
Anyways. I actually really like this model, and I think it will make a fine Borderworlds Bomber (which is great as long as it doesn't intrude upon the Outcasthood of my bomber). I will agree with the statement that it needs to be bulked up, though, and also, I think it would be advantageous to connect the new upper extension of the spoilers to the hull via some miniature analogy to the larger protrusion below the Boderworlds base, as well as move the upper parts forward a bit so it isn't so heavily angled. I really like the way you've replaced the natural protrusions on the Sabre's spoiler with the torpedo pods, that's a very nice tough. You shouldn't add any additional engines, though, as beyond a certain size I think it just becomes wasteful and ruins the nice balance the model has. Besides, it's a bomber, it has to be marginally slower than its VHF counterpart.
For the record, since the Waran is the true Borderworlds bomber and the only reason anybody flies that thing is for shock value, I think it should replace that, and my bomber replace the Falcatta. The Outcasts that don't like mine can have their pick of the two, since they're both certainly within the Outcast's traditional purchasing reach, and nobody has to buy the Waran anymore.
"Cutlass" Bomber - Benjamin - 06-01-2009
There's a bunch of problems with that Eppy. For one, the falcata is a borderworlds bomber, so replacing it with your own would, as petr pointed out, force all non-outcasts who currently have the falcata to switch and buy a new one, not to mention replacing the ship on eltmann with something else that fits.
Plus replacing the Waran with this one would require a lot of stat changes, since the Waran is an extremely heavy bomber. And, with the Waran being a really heavy bomber, it has different uses to this little 48k thing, and it's actually a very good anti-cap bomber now, that is being used by a bunch of people.
Whereas replacing the falcata model with this one, and then putting your one in as a new ship, requires no changing of currently existing stuff.
"Cutlass" Bomber - tansytansey - 06-01-2009
' Wrote:Curtana's taken, that's what I'm using for my bomber.I can see it being a problem, if one of the two bombers is better than the other. Might I suggest we give your bomber slightly better stats (To encourage Outcasts to use it over my model.) but make it Outcast-Only in the info card? That way folks won't lean towards either the OC bomber or the BW bomber for PvP advantages.
Anyways. I actually really like this model, and I think it will make a fine Borderworlds Bomber (which is great as long as it doesn't intrude upon the Outcasthood of my bomber).
Quote:I will agree with the statement that it needs to be bulked up, though, and also, I think it would be advantageous to connect the new upper extension of the spoilers to the hull via some miniature analogy to the larger protrusion below the Boderworlds base, as well as move the upper parts forward a bit so it isn't so heavily angled.I understand what everyone is saying about beefing up the model. But I honestly don't see a reasonable way to do it without making the model look like crap. The BW design is sleek and pointy, I don't want to draw away from that. I've already made the upper spoiler thicker (though haven't uploaded a new picture of that, since it's a minor change) but other than that, I don't know what to do.
Quote:I really like the way you've replaced the natural protrusions on the Sabre's spoiler with the torpedo pods, that's a very nice tough. You shouldn't add any additional engines, though, as beyond a certain size I think it just becomes wasteful and ruins the nice balance the model has. Besides, it's a bomber, it has to be marginally slower than its VHF counterpart.They're not torpedo pods, they're engines D:
The current Falcata has 4 engines and no torpedo pods. I intend to keep it that way. If you check the comparison with this model and the current Falcata, you can see that they're not that much different in size from each other. I really don't think it's going to be a problem., this is just a more 'streamlined' Falcata.
' Wrote:There's a bunch of problems with that Eppy. For one, the falcata is a borderworlds bomber, so replacing it with your own would, as petr pointed out, force all non-outcasts who currently have the falcata to switch and buy a new one, not to mention replacing the ship on eltmann with something else that fits.Makes a lot of sense, I can't really argue with that.
Plus replacing the Waran with this one would require a lot of stat changes, since the Waran is an extremely heavy bomber. And, with the Waran being a really heavy bomber, it has different uses to this little 48k thing, and it's actually a very good anti-cap bomber now, that is being used by a bunch of people.
Whereas replacing the falcata model with this one, and then putting your one in as a new ship, requires no changing of currently existing stuff.
"Cutlass" Bomber - tansytansey - 06-02-2009
The model is now fully hardpointed, hitboxed and working in-game.
Here's a little preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT6GtuZk82s
and here's the hitbox I made for it. How well do you think I did for my first try? D:
![[Image: hitbox1.png]](http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1419/hitbox1.png)
![[Image: hitbox2.png]](http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4381/hitbox2.png)
"Cutlass" Bomber - n00bl3t - 06-02-2009
Is the hitbox large?
"Cutlass" Bomber - tansytansey - 06-02-2009
' Wrote:Is the hitbox large?No, it fits snuggly around the model. The large oval you see around the model is the shield hitbox, if you look closer at the model you see a faint outline which represents the ship hitbox.