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Piracy roleplaying - Stealthsultn - 05-24-2011
Whether a pirate RPs or not, the trader who is trading only for the credits (as in not for the RP) is going to be pissed. Because traders so commonly "Leg it" even RP pirates can be painted as pvp-abusing.......
Speaking of RP; a trader running from a bomber is like a 747 running from an f-16. You would have to be crazy to try to run and a lunatic by justifying that by saying that your going to respawn so its "Ok".
If your justifying suicide on a cost effectiveness basis maybe the trader "death cost" must be drastically increased beyond just loss of cargo. I hate to force more logical RP through game mechanics.......but maybe we have to
And finally: some pirates make unreasonable demands. I think that is wrong and agree with you on that point; maybe some rules about pirate demands in relation to cargo size need to be put in (more rules are always dangerous however). A pirate demanding 10 million from a rhino is pushing it and in my book breaking 1.1
Piracy roleplaying - Hielor - 05-24-2011
' Wrote:Seems you have a grasp of the meaning. So what would you ( as a trader / hauler ) would like to talk about, in an intellectual discussion with the other guy ( pirate )? Taking into consideration, that it should be a scenario that would at least roughly simulate how those two specific characters would act if met.Mind if I come back to this one? I'm at work currently, so brief posting of short stuff is fine but I don't really have time to do this request the justice it deserves.
' Wrote:Speaking of RP; a trader running from a bomber is like a 747 running from an f-16. You would have to be crazy to try to run and a lunatic by justifying that by saying that your going to respawn so its "Ok".Pirates already have huge advantages over traders; they don't need more.
If your justifying suicide on a cost effectiveness basis maybe the trader "death cost" must be drastically increased beyond just loss of cargo. I hate to force more logical RP through game mechanics.......but maybe we have to
Piracy roleplaying - Not Espi - 05-24-2011
take your time. but think about it. there's no weather in space;)
edit: seems stealth forgot to mention, that it would apply to everyone
Piracy roleplaying - Stealthsultn - 05-24-2011
Quote: Pirates already have huge advantages over traders; they don't need more.
You totally missed the point of my statement; I was speaking to the fact that justifying running from a pirate because its more cost effective if you die is extremely OORP and should be mitigated.
Piracy roleplaying - Bloom - 05-24-2011
' Wrote:Of course, do whatever it takes to get one up on the other guy, 0.0 and RP be damned.Instead of pretending that the pirates respects 0.0 (which is total bs, meaning is a lame argument that has absolutely no meaning) by asking less, why don't you do that and pay him?
' Wrote:If a pirate makes a demand that he knows the trader isn't going to agree to and is going to result in the trader making a run for it and probably dying to the trader, the pirate isn't looking for RP. He's looking for a blue message. Full stop.Mhmm....again..considered other possibilities...like...paying? For the sake of argument, let's say the pirate it's in it just for the blue message. Means you're in just for the credits...I hardly see how that's different.
' Wrote:Sure, I'll consider that. Next time I see an escort I'll consider that. I've had exactly two people ask me if I wanted an escort in the last month. One of them was an AI cruiser.Besides the fact that I always found plenty of escorts....again, for the sake of argument, let's say there are none. How exactly is it the pirate's fault, and why should he go easy on you because you couldn't find an escort?
' Wrote:If the pirate is going to throw 0.0 and RP out the window, I don't see any reason why I shouldn't do the same. Pirates seem to be under this impression that they can do whatever they want to traders and the trader should just accept it because they "don't want to die."I see...hidding behind rules who's meaning you do not understand....np :rolleyes:
Pirates CAN do whatever they want, since they have the gun. Traders have options, but they're too stupid/lazy/greedy to look for them.
Piracy roleplaying - Veygaar - 05-24-2011
' Wrote:Pirate stops trader. Some RP takes place that's more than "20milrdai". Trader ends up giving the pirate somewhere between 0-50% (depending on the RP) of what he'll be making that run in the form of credits or cargo. Trader and pirate go their separate ways, perhaps with some parting cracks or insults.*facepalm* Theres no convincing this guy.
Quote:I enjoy RPing with a pirate who's in it for the RP. I do not enjoy being bent over by a pirate who's only in it for a blue message or the money (seriously, if you want money, go trade, it's faster).I think I've found its much slower. BUT, I do trade anyways.
Quote:There's a lot of stuff in between LFs and GBs. Bombers, for one. Ptrans/Ptrain, for that cargo piracy of yours.Thats... what... I... use?
Quote:There's not much room for me to "apply my mind" when I run into someone in a gunboat who goes basically "20milrdai".That's sad, if you really want to, come visit me and I'll elaborate on how you owe taxes to his highness, if you don't run... Or if theres not military on my back.
Quote:The trader already is losing when he runs into a pirate. Denying the pirate anything material out of the bargain is just a little bit less losing, especially if the pirate's being an OORP jerk about the matter.I am sorry you met OORP jerks... I am not one of them. I don't know who you are ingame, I treat all traders the same, I even tell my Renegades that if I catch em in one of their trader chars, expect no different.
Quote:Trader ends up giving the pirate somewhere between 0-50%What the?! WUT?
Quote:So, at some point in the past there was actually some degree of respect for the person playing the trader.You know what I do as a trader? I try to bargain, normally it doesn't work, then I just pay him and continue on my way, making note of where he/name/and whatnot. Next time around I avoid him, if he catches me, oh well, I pay again. I still end up making profit, maybe not as fast but I still do.
This apparently disappeared, and now most people who play pirates are just looking to screw/grief traders and don't really care about the RP.
Pirates could complain "why don't traders always pay?:(" But normally they don't, because they understand that that's how the trader is. Traders should also try to understand the question "why do pirates always ask so much:(" its simply because THAT IS WHAT A PIRATE DOES.
If you really don't think this is correct, please, go play a pirate and TRY TO MAKE MONEY from it. Because, lets be honest, most traders are in it for the money. IF THEY'RE NOT, then they don't get upset when they 'lose' virtual money...
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Cheers
Piracy roleplaying - Stealthsultn - 05-24-2011
Quote: IF THEY'RE NOT, then they don't get upset when they 'lose' virtual money...
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Piracy roleplaying - Bloom - 05-24-2011
Oh yeh, a little addendum. I used to mine and trade a lot. I got caught by pirates a lot. I even paid 10 millions on a cargo that wasn't worth that. I really couldn't care less. I just went on with my route. That, when there was no other way out. Most of the times I managed to thrust safely to base...a good dose of luck and a good CAU saved my back so many times..... I had pirates ask me 15m..I had some 4k ore. Was I happy? Of course not? Did I pay? I did not, but I managed to get away, even if barely. Another time I got caught by those same pirates and they asked 20m, but under different circumstances, I couldn't get out. So I paid, even if I found the price outrageous.
Point is...I've been on both sides of the fence, I know how you feel. But I still think you are wrong, frustrated and crying for no reason. Go figure...:sleep:
Piracy roleplaying - TheOrangeButterfly - 05-24-2011
On my pirate I ran into a trader today, the guy happened to be a higher level (80+) I asked a reasonable price. (Around 2 - 4 million, the guy was carrying ore a few lanes down from a salepoint.) He tried to barter me down, while I normally disagree with this just for the fact of looking at his level, he made good RP about it so I was much more inclined to agree with his bargaining than if he had just said "No, I can't pay" or something stupid like that. Those are the kind of interactions that I as a pirate am looking for.
Piracy roleplaying - dodike - 05-24-2011
I ran into a pirate today. We both had fun.
This is how it went. One could argue that we didn't roleplay enough.
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/794/2305112029001.jpg
@Hielor
You talk about RP but all it matters to you is the amount of credits/cargo you are left with at end of the encounter.