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RE: Judicial Order - Reid - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 01:58 PM)danny081 Wrote: From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.
I engaged 3 fighters on my gunship. I killed 2 and the other docked. I was in a gunship, the fighters also had cap patrols on their side.
5 bombers log on and come after me for it, including the one who docked. How did I bring the 5-bomber ganksquad upon myself?
RE: Judicial Order - danny081 - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:03 PM)Trail Wrote:(03-04-2013, 01:58 PM)danny081 Wrote: I will also pride myself on keeping it entirely fair, but if someone is not playing fair with a member of The Judges we will reinforce our Judge with as many people as he is against, maybe more depending on the target, considering we are restricted to Bombers/Fighters, how would we fair against a capital ship with one Bomber vessel? we bring an attack wing of 4-5 people each time we find a target such as a cruiser etc, if we are intercepted on the way then we have every reason to attack, we don't normally attack first then RP later, we RP first, giving you the choice to leave us alone and mind your own business or engage us, that choice is then yours.
From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.
Capital ships are in a different category when it comes to ganks
well if you have noticed we have some capital ships on the Bounty Board, and we have a past with the two, we have also been face to face with Destroyers/Gunboats a lot, hence why we organize attack wings of 2 fighters 3 bombers for example.
like i say a fair fight will be put in place if you choose to do so, if not and you decide to gank us with 2 gunboats 3 bombers and 5 fighters against a four judge element, then sorry more Judges will keep coming.
RE: Judicial Order - Haste - 03-04-2013
Of course. Evening out an engagement is perfectly fine and nobody is telling you not to. Fighting a Cruiser with three Bombers is fine. I never said the opposite.
However, judging (pun not intended) from previous posts and my own experiences, you also attack (a) fighter(s) with 3:1 or 4:1 ratios.
Mind you that this wasn't even the main point I was making. I think the general lack of RP demonstrated to the outside world by Judges is what "disappoints" me most.
Let me put it this way.
When I play my K'Hara character, I usually check the player list (oh no, out of roleplay, quick, hate me for this!) before I go anywhere, and look for hotspots of official faction activity. Why? Because in most cases, my chances of finding actual roleplay are a magnitude or two higher. Of course, there are exceptions. It would be unfair to say there aren't. However, that's not the point I'm making.
I believe that with the current state of the Judges, you would be pretty much the only official faction I wouldn't seek out for purposes of roleplay. And that's not because of some personal vendetta against the group. It's because prior experience indicates for me that it would be pointless to do so. And that, in itself, points out the biggest problem of the faction as it is.
RE: Judicial Order - danny081 - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:05 PM)Safe Haven Wrote:(03-04-2013, 01:58 PM)danny081 Wrote: From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.
I engaged 3 fighters on my gunship. I killed 2 and the other docked. I was in a gunship, the fighters also had cap patrols on their side.
5 bombers log on and come after me for it, including the one who docked. How did I bring the 5-bomber ganksquad upon myself?
when did this occur sir? and it depend on your I.D, if you was a rouge i cannot stop the other members from coming in to claim the bounty, however i'm interested to know who re engaged sir. please message me if you remember the name.
RE: Judicial Order - Duvelske - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:05 PM)Safe Haven Wrote:if i have to report every violation i see. dude the admins would ban me for spamming the report forums.(03-04-2013, 01:58 PM)danny081 Wrote: From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.
I engaged 3 fighters on my gunship. I killed 2 and the other docked. I was in a gunship, the fighters also had cap patrols on their side.
5 bombers log on and come after me for it, including the one who docked. How did I bring the 5-bomber ganksquad upon myself?
Also the docked one is PVP DEATH. may not go into that system 4 hours. seen several issues here allready. But back on the Judges itself guys.. like stated how you are seeing your own id then? Ak. what you want to have on it? In order to make it work you must have another id then Freelancer.
I suggest to make a SKYPE group chat. where some could be dragged into to have a discussion about it maybe. Because now i think most will not read older posts and it will end up more in a flood then something else at this rate.
RE: Judicial Order - Valhalla Sr. - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:03 PM)danny081 Wrote: "If you haven't participated in such event's then we will recognize that, and we will respect you for it, if not then i'm sorry but we won't play fair if you don't."
this comment being the most important, we punish no one, we "gank" people who "gank" us, is that fair?
So you're saying that if i "gank" one of you in my eagle, you will bring 10 others to gank me. Okay, i see your logic boy. Just like, be ashamed of yourselves.
The only player that i can see that deserves my respect there is Leam. Others not at all.
RE: Judicial Order - Reid - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:12 PM)danny081 Wrote: when did this occur sir? and it depend on your I.D, if you was a rouge i cannot stop the other members from coming in to claim the bounty, however i'm interested to know who re engaged sir. please message me if you remember the name.
It happened in early February, and I was flying with a Freelancer ID KNFGB.
RE: Judicial Order - Trail - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:07 PM)danny081 Wrote:(03-04-2013, 02:03 PM)Trail Wrote:(03-04-2013, 01:58 PM)danny081 Wrote: I will also pride myself on keeping it entirely fair, but if someone is not playing fair with a member of The Judges we will reinforce our Judge with as many people as he is against, maybe more depending on the target, considering we are restricted to Bombers/Fighters, how would we fair against a capital ship with one Bomber vessel? we bring an attack wing of 4-5 people each time we find a target such as a cruiser etc, if we are intercepted on the way then we have every reason to attack, we don't normally attack first then RP later, we RP first, giving you the choice to leave us alone and mind your own business or engage us, that choice is then yours.
From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.
Capital ships are in a different category when it comes to ganks
well if you have noticed we have some capital ships on the Bounty Board, and we have a past with the two, we have also been face to face with Destroyers/Gunboats a lot, hence why we organize attack wings of 2 fighters 3 bombers for example.
like i say a fair fight will be put in place if you choose to do so, if not and you decide to gank us with 2 gunboats 3 bombers and 5 fighters against a four judge element, then sorry more Judges will keep coming.
well you do not need more then 2 fighters to kill one (technically if you have decent pilots 1 should be enough.)
As far as ganks go, go easy on it or your bad rep might turn into even worse and end up from being 'AFKers' to 'CGS like'
also what exactly do you want on your ID since there isnt an ID In the game that allows you to do what you want?
Its gonna get asked sooner or later (if you get accepted that is) and hey if you have decent wishes for that ID you might just become official. because a freelancer official ID faction doesnt work.
RE: Judicial Order - danny081 - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:07 PM)Hasteric Wrote: Of course. Evening out an engagement is perfectly fine and nobody is telling you not to. Fighting a Cruiser with three Bombers is fine. I never said the opposite.
However, judging (pun not intended) from previous posts and my own experiences, you also attack (a) fighter(s) with 3:1 or 4:1 ratios.
Mind you that this wasn't even the main point I was making. I think the general lack of RP demonstrated to the outside world by Judges is what "disappoints" me most.
Let me put it this way.
When I play my K'Hara character, I usually check the player list (oh no, out of roleplay, quick, hate me for this!) before I go anywhere, and look for hotspots of official faction activity. Why? Because in most cases, my chances of finding actual roleplay are a magnitude or two higher. Of course, there are exceptions. It would be unfair to say there aren't. However, that's not the point I'm making.
I believe that with the current state of the Judges, you would be pretty much the only official faction I wouldn't seek out for purposes of roleplay. And that's not because of some personal vendetta against the group. It's because prior experience indicates for me that it would be pointless to do so. And that, in itself, points out the biggest problem of the faction as it is.
I can bare that in mind, and i will speak to the rest of the Judges about this, if indeed you think we need to interact and RP more with the community then so be it, we have been doing that recently sir, we have Negotiation with GMG still being processed, we negotiated a deal with IC and put in place a bounty board, we attempted to interact with RNC to prevent RNC and the Judges from being enemies under peaceful terms and got blown to pieces for doing so, hence why the bounty board was put in place, we interact with LPI, LNS, the 41st, LN, Civilians etc on a daily basis, we offer escort services to transports, we patrol Alberta from time to time under negotiation's succeeding with the Platinum group. We interact with people just passing through New York and other Liberty systems, we have gone to Kusari space and offered IC escort services, We help people with weapon transfers etc, we recruit people through interaction, all of this is interaction, it's not like we don't RP, we add personalities to our Judge vessels, some arrogant some egotistical, some nice, some not so nice, you see were i'm going with this, we will RP with anyone whether your being friendly or not, but at the same time we are constantly on our guard due to the amount of people that just /setmessage and shoot.
I apologize to anyone on behalf of the Judges if you have seen otherwise, and your feedback has been brought to our attention, i will speak with Supreme Judge Logan later this evening.
Honor, Duty, Justice
Judge Alpha
RE: Judicial Order - danny081 - 03-04-2013
(03-04-2013, 02:20 PM)Trail Wrote:i couldn't agree more, and we are not going to be like CGS, we all saw how they worked.(03-04-2013, 02:07 PM)danny081 Wrote:(03-04-2013, 02:03 PM)Trail Wrote:(03-04-2013, 01:58 PM)danny081 Wrote: I will also pride myself on keeping it entirely fair, but if someone is not playing fair with a member of The Judges we will reinforce our Judge with as many people as he is against, maybe more depending on the target, considering we are restricted to Bombers/Fighters, how would we fair against a capital ship with one Bomber vessel? we bring an attack wing of 4-5 people each time we find a target such as a cruiser etc, if we are intercepted on the way then we have every reason to attack, we don't normally attack first then RP later, we RP first, giving you the choice to leave us alone and mind your own business or engage us, that choice is then yours.
From my view this is entirely fair, if you engaged 4-5 ships then you brought it upon yourself to fight them.
Capital ships are in a different category when it comes to ganks
well if you have noticed we have some capital ships on the Bounty Board, and we have a past with the two, we have also been face to face with Destroyers/Gunboats a lot, hence why we organize attack wings of 2 fighters 3 bombers for example.
like i say a fair fight will be put in place if you choose to do so, if not and you decide to gank us with 2 gunboats 3 bombers and 5 fighters against a four judge element, then sorry more Judges will keep coming.
well you do not need more then 2 fighters to kill one (technically if you have decent pilots 1 should be enough.)
As far as ganks go, go easy on it or your bad rep might turn into even worse and end up from being 'AFKers' to 'CGS like'
also what exactly do you want on your ID since there isnt an ID In the game that allows you to do what you want?
Its gonna get asked sooner or later (if you get accepted that is) and hey if you have decent wishes for that ID you might just become official. because a freelancer official ID faction doesnt work.
as for the I.D, i believe we will hold a group discussion and take all of your opinion's and views into consideration, from there we can discuss amongst ourselves a reasonable I.D.