(07-23-2015, 01:40 AM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: This is a total joke

There is not a single military service on this entire planet that would allow an Admiral to speak their mind publicly and still remain at their post.

If the Navy wanted to maintain credibility they should have demoted the admiral, there is nothing preventing the player behind the character from creating a new Admiral to reflect their position within the Liberty Navy.

Punishment would be handed out and far less people would be upset; however the path the Liberty Navy (and by extension the Liberty Government) has taken tells me that the Liberty Government is nothing more than a joke that exists to only benefit those "in the know"

(07-23-2015, 02:00 AM)John Wildkins Wrote: 1325.6 also states that military members' "right of expression" is preserved, including peaceful demonstrations against the government or the war, as long as it is done away from a military installation, while off duty, and out of uniform.

(07-23-2015, 02:00 AM)John Wildkins Wrote: The only issue I've found that conflicts with what Baker has done here is covered under the UCMJ, which states that it is illegal to communicate "with the enemy", although the examples they give specifically refer to letters and other types of methods of communication. I'm willing to give a pass on this one, as this is less a communication with the enemy and more a propaganda-filled message/speech. Think the attempts at anti-propaganda the US has been creating recently.

(07-23-2015, 02:00 AM)John Wildkins Wrote: Is it perhaps out of character for an Admiral? Probably, yes. But Baker has never been a traditional Admiral. I'm still thinking on whether or not she'll be punished inRP for her..."zealous" action, but I'm honestly leaning towards a no. I still think this situation is horribly overblown and not as serious as everyone is taking it, but maybe I'm wrong.

(07-23-2015, 02:19 AM)Captain_Nemo Wrote:

(07-23-2015, 02:00 AM)John Wildkins Wrote: 1325.6 also states that military members' "right of expression" is preserved, including peaceful demonstrations against the government or the war, as long as it is done away from a military installation, while off duty, and out of uniform.

So by your example using a government e-mail address to publicly communicate with an enemy group doesn't count (assuming the T-bars which have Liberty Navy stamped all over them counts as government representation)

(07-23-2015, 02:00 AM)John Wildkins Wrote: The only issue I've found that conflicts with what Baker has done here is covered under the UCMJ, which states that it is illegal to communicate "with the enemy", although the examples they give specifically refer to letters and other types of methods of communication. I'm willing to give a pass on this one, as this is less a communication with the enemy and more a propaganda-filled message/speech. Think the attempts at anti-propaganda the US has been creating recently.

Propaganda doesn't start with legitimatizing the enemies operations and end with throwing other supporting organizations under the bus.

(07-23-2015, 02:00 AM)John Wildkins Wrote: Is it perhaps out of character for an Admiral? Probably, yes. But Baker has never been a traditional Admiral. I'm still thinking on whether or not she'll be punished inRP for her..."zealous" action, but I'm honestly leaning towards a no. I still think this situation is horribly overblown and not as serious as everyone is taking it, but maybe I'm wrong.

An Admiral de-legitimatized the Liberty Government and legitimatized the Commonwealth all within one transmission. You can claim that its propaganda but it doesn't read as such to me.

(07-23-2015, 01:53 AM)Sarawr!? Wrote: This is not a real military, this is not based on a real military, this is a fictional military organization within a rather loose sci-fi setting. Think of Mass Effect if you want, plenty of things happened in there in regard to military discipline and the suchlike that would certainly not happen in real life. Was it still enjoyable? Hell yes it was.

This is not real life. This is the only comment I'm going to make here.

(07-23-2015, 02:19 AM)Captain_Nemo Wrote: An Admiral de-legitimatized the Liberty Government and legitimatized the Commonwealth all within one transmission. You can claim that its propaganda but it doesn't read as such to me.

Rachel Baker Wrote:[indent]

Should we simply forget the way of the Hellfire Legion now that they've given themselves some fancy new name? I say to hell with that!

The Government of The Republic of Liberty already provides the following:
- A Nationalized Healthcare Program accessible to each and every Citizen of The Republic.
- Government funding for Secondary Education, provided applicants meet educational requirements.
- Equal Civil Rights for all, regardless of race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, and so on.
- Dozens Of Social Welfare Assistance Programs for those who struggle economically.

Legionaries! You fight for nothing, your cause is a fallacy, and your leaders are deluded...seeking only to seize power as the world around them stands at the edge of chaos!

Those of you raised in The Republic should well know all of this, so why do you continue to believe the lies and vitriole of TYRANTS who fancy themselves the leaders of a "Commonwealth".

It may not be perfect, but the system in place now is far from the "crumbling husk" that the leaders of your "Commonwealth" would have you believe it to be!

This "Commonwealth" is not a nation, and none of you should be willing to die for the lies of traitors and cowards. Sit and ask yourselves, do you really have faith in their ability to run a nation with billions of citizens? Do you really think that it would end in anything but chaos, were you to try and replace the entire military and government of The Republic?

Toss away your weapons and surrender while you can, while there's hope for you to return to living normal lives.[

(07-23-2015, 02:29 AM)Tokoloshe Wrote:

(07-23-2015, 01:53 AM)Sarawr!? Wrote: This is not a real military, this is not based on a real military, this is a fictional military organization within a rather loose sci-fi setting. Think of Mass Effect if you want, plenty of things happened in there in regard to military discipline and the suchlike that would certainly not happen in real life. Was it still enjoyable? Hell yes it was.

This is not real life. This is the only comment I'm going to make here.

No really? This isn't real? Damn, we thought it was!

I think this is people telling you that they are not interested in seeing any more of your particular brand of fiction.

(07-23-2015, 02:33 AM)Sarawr!? Wrote: Let me lay it out pretty simply for you then -- I do not care. If you do not enjoy my writing, or the personalities of my characters, and the things I'm doing have nothing to do with you, DO NOT INVOLVE YOURSELF.