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RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - Dead Reckoning - 03-13-2014
(03-13-2014, 10:06 PM)spacedragon Wrote: ! - my base (core 4) seems to need TWO TIMES MORE Reinforced Alloy now (~6000 in ~8 hrs). - !
That's NOT -like promised- 2 TIMES EASIER TO SUPPLY BUT ALMOST 2 TIMES MORE WORK!
(It's also NOT REALLY 2 TIMES EASIER to supply a base, just because it needs half amount of RA, it will also need Food, Oxygen and Water!)
(03-13-2014, 10:18 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: Spacedragon, I will figure out what is with the repair functionality and get back to you.
Just my observation. Very, very crude measurements but they seem to indicate correctly:
Starting point was 3:58 PM local time
By 4:04 PM I had lost 38 RA
By 4:18 PM I had lost 112 RA
112 RA / 20 minutes = 5.6 RA per minute (crude measurements, remember) which is in line with 6 per minute since it eats 2 per 20 seconds. This was on a core 4.
EDIT: By crude measurements I mean occasionally looking up at an oven clock. So no seconds being accounted for.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - Lumik - 03-13-2014
(03-13-2014, 09:37 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Core 4 in 1 hour ? Just disable the plugin - this is a joke, to get to core 4 you need a few months, when 10 bs can take it out in 1 hour, did i mention time zones? what a joke
(03-13-2014, 11:19 PM)spacedragon Wrote:(03-13-2014, 11:10 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: We will not disable the plugin because of your petulant, pessimistic attitude...then diisable the plugin because it is not fair, at least it is very unfair against ALREADY EXISTING BASES
If you do not like the changes you are free to not build bases.
...ok, if someone owns an ALREADY EXISTING BASE then they are free to let it be DESTROYED very easy. They are free to look at MONTHS OF WORK going up in flames in less then 2 hrs.
(03-13-2014, 11:21 PM)Universal Exports Wrote: You might as well disable POBs entirely now. They're completely useless at this point.
I agree with Tel, so it's not just the ZA who thinks this is ********
I won't bother continuing to build my POB now, that's for sure.
Aside from change which always can be discussed and so far almost all changes got loud critique from somebody...
Is it me or your attitude is "if I can´t have base, nobody should be allowed to try to have it" ? Wow.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - spacedragon - 03-13-2014
(03-13-2014, 11:32 PM)Lumik8 Wrote:(03-13-2014, 09:37 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Core 4 in 1 hour ? Just disable the plugin - this is a joke, to get to core 4 you need a few months, when 10 bs can take it out in 1 hour, did i mention time zones? what a joke
(03-13-2014, 11:19 PM)spacedragon Wrote:(03-13-2014, 11:10 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: We will not disable the plugin because of your petulant, pessimistic attitude...then diisable the plugin because it is not fair, at least it is very unfair against ALREADY EXISTING BASES
If you do not like the changes you are free to not build bases.
...ok, if someone owns an ALREADY EXISTING BASE then they are free to let it be DESTROYED very easy. They are free to look at MONTHS OF WORK going up in flames in less then 2 hrs.
(03-13-2014, 11:21 PM)Universal Exports Wrote: You might as well disable POBs entirely now. They're completely useless at this point.
I agree with Tel, so it's not just the ZA who thinks this is ********
I won't bother continuing to build my POB now, that's for sure.
Aside from change which always can be discussed and so far almost all changes got loud critique from somebody...
Is it me or your attitude is "if I can´t have base, nobody should be allowed to try to have it" ? Wow.
... was NEVER my attidude!
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - HassLHoFF™ - 03-13-2014
Well I can understand Tel in some way. The SRP period for base upgrading is quite hard in my opinion. If someone sees his profession in this a regular SRP without a time period for upgrading makes more sense. The worst case scenario of this would be someone who just construct 10 core 1 bases just cause he has fun with it. I also suggest to rebalance the sieging side. Means that direct base sieging should just be allowed after a notification with an expiring time about 48h. After this time the base siege side has 48h time to destroy the base. The base the owner is just allowed to dock vessels with the official faction tag and/or a present RP that is in connection with the base. If he doens't comply, there won't be a time to expire, because instakill the base is allowed. If the siege is successful, well base went boom. If the siege wasn't successful, they'll have to wait '(maybe 2 weeks) to request a siege again.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - Kosa - 03-13-2014
So how is the plugin now? Is it on? Is it disabled? I don't see any changes in the Reinforced Alloy needs.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - UK1 - 03-13-2014
Well people heres my opinion..
The mode team and absolutely nuts.
Making it so easy to destroy a core 4 base compaired to the time and effort it takes to build.
Your trying to promote the server and its new updates.
This is only gonna kill the server off.
On another note has anyone thought about the commodities/items that station factorys build?
Getting cloaks,jump drives ect is going to be very difficuilt or very expensive.
Prices are going to go through the roof.
Just like when you stopped making the barge accessable and it went to private sales.
Items are going to become rare or very hard to get.
In my opinion this is going to kill off the base building and put the final nails in the discovery 4.87 mod/server.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - Thyrzul - 03-14-2014
(03-13-2014, 11:23 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: What is good about killing stations that people put a hard work on it in a matter of minutes, Is that a good thing?
Nah, it is definitely not as good as pulling up a base in a few hours while everybody sleeps and then set it to full hostile once it's indestructible.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - Zen_Mechanics - 03-14-2014
few hours right.
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - spacedragon - 03-14-2014
....now I have been waiting about three and a half hours to get USEABLE ANSWERS to my questions in this post:
post 1
nothing.
Maybe ANOTHER DEVELOPER or ADMIN is able to answer.
"Kazinsal has already left the building!"
not that long (but also for hours) i am also waiting for a reaction of Kazinsal about my reply here:
post 2
At least 3 devs were "watching" this thread in this time and nobody is able to answer till now - I hardly can believe....
(03-13-2014, 10:18 PM)Kazinsal Wrote: Spacedragon, I will figure out what is with the repair functionality and get back to you.When? - tomorrow? - next week? - in April? - next year?
...
If Kazinsal doesn't like to help, maybe SOME OTHER DEV/ADMIN can???
RE: Developer Notice: Player Owned Bases Update - Lumik - 03-14-2014
(03-13-2014, 11:56 PM)UK1 Wrote: Getting cloaks,jump drives ect is going to be very difficuilt or very expensive.And this is in my opinion good because right now server is spammed with these things. For example cloaking device is now almost standard equipment of capital ships, at least from what I saw in Rheinland x Liberty battles in last months.
Prices are going to go through the roof. Items are going to become rare or very hard to get.
(03-13-2014, 11:56 PM)UK1 Wrote: In my opinion this is going to kill off the base building and put the final nails in the discovery 4.87 mod/server.
So we are finally at final nail again? Maybe you forget that this server is not "Discovery Player Owned Bases 4.87". Bases are fancy thing but should be just something additional. This server should be about RP and not about building, killing and supplying bases. It existed for years without bases, so I doubt it will die just because of lack of them or them being hardly sustainable and easy to kill.
This change may be cruel for those who already built their bases but those who will do it from now know the risk. If they choose building POB instead of playing the game some another way without them, they have to accept it.