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Official Faction Spring Cleaning - Cawdor - 04-05-2008
Well this indeed is just a game, but if you agree to run a official faction you automaticly bind your self to certain tasks and duties. And a faction doesn't just consist of one leader but many members who must be capable to help out in issues like these.
One allways has the freedom to go unofficial and just play the game without any boundaries.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - Unseelie - 04-05-2008
Explain to me how one vaccinates someone who's rabid, elgato?
They tend to need to be forced down on a table, and stuck with needles.
So, are you suggesting that some factions need to be forced, and others are fine? Or that no one needs ever to be looked at?
You cannot make it optional, because then the sick people, to continue your metaphor, stay sick.
The factions which 'need' it will probably not come, while those who don't probably will, which defeats the point. And to spare us deciding which factions are sick, we'll say that they're all sick, and expect everyone to get vaccinated.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - Reverend Del - 04-05-2008
' Wrote:Is that a metaphor for a euphemism for forcing them?
I don't mean to offend you, Del, and I certainly don't want to hurt you in any way, but I believe that my point stands.
We're all obsessed with making things better that we're forgetting the fact that this is a GAME. People don't have the time and ability to turn this game into a full time job. This obsession with making things better, and etc... is coming into conflict with a lot of the freedoms of the people involved here.
If something needs to be addressed in a certain faction, address it in that particular faction. Don't make it a universal thing and pull everyone down with one issue. Make it an option to be able to submit a particular faction to evaluation or something...
I'll cite the BPA itself as an example. We once considered the use of Gunboats, but then after members of the community suggested against their use, we gave up the idea. There. It was simple, easy, and stress free. We smoothed out what could have been a potentially oorp problem for the BPA.
Your idea is swell, but the thing is, it's not a vaccination. It's rabies shot that you give to factions with the problem, not before it happens.
There's no point in submitting every single faction several painful needle jabs to the stomach for no good reason.
If this goes ahead, great. Just don't pull everyone down with it.
My point is that the BPA and other factions had to go through stringent tests and hoops to get approval. A bunch did not. There is no where to take up the matter with other factions, most factions do not have a thread you can go to to say, "hey I don't like this about your faction, can you address my concern". The LSF does but that used to be sub titled "Whine here". Hardly constructive. Usually this manifests itself in a thread that starts up becasue Faction A did something that player B is not happy with. Result: Trial by Forum and a flame war, topic gets locked and nothing gets done.
The reason that this has been suggested is because there is no comeback for an official faction, so long as it has the members, it stays. The admins do not have the time to watch every single faction, we the players, do. I'm playing a game, yes, but I'm playing a game that has a player base of some 2000 people. It is imperative that we are all held to the same standards when it comes to factions, is it fair that Faction A is just there whilst Faction B went through four weeks of hellish waiting? No. Is it fair that Faction A could just put up it's faction status without issue, and that Faction B had to meet targets and waypoints set by the Admins? No. Fairness is not a right, but here in this community it should be a standard.
All factions require feedback to avoid complacency and stagnation. As the system stands there is no feedback.
This would not apply to any factions created after the Admins took sole charge of approving factions, so the BPA, the GC and any faction currently with a thread in the Faction Creation sub-forum would not have to go through this, as they have already recieved the full going over and meet the standard currently set by the admins, this is about the other factions.
I'm not intent on pulling anyone down, I just believe that each and every faction should be held to the same standard. One that is already in place.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - pchwang - 04-05-2008
Quote:So, are you suggesting that some factions need to be forced, and others are fine? Or that no one needs ever to be looked at?Exactly. The SICK people.
You cannot make it optional, because then the sick people, to continue your metaphor, stay sick.
Not the people who AREN'T sick.
Applied here, the "sick" factions, not the ones that are not.
And if you are intent on continuing this or decide to slander my person, yes, I am completely biased and motivated by my personal reasons when I am supporting what I am supporting. The reason being, I do not have the time for this, nor do I want to submit anyone in my faction to this.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - bluntpencil2001 - 04-05-2008
Immunisation shots are a good idea, though... my mother always told me that it hurts a little at the time but is a lot less hassle just to take it in stride instea of going kicking and screaming.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - pchwang - 04-05-2008
Rabies shots are not immunization shots, though.
You don't exactly vaccinate for Rabies. You give the infected the shots when it's needed.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - Cawdor - 04-05-2008
Yea but I don't think that the "healthy" ones will have big problems. It's like Sov said: People will look at your request, look at your experiences, maybe ask some questions of pure interest, give their thumbs-up - and thats it. It's certainly not about giving everyone a though time. If things are OK you will never have a problem. Think about the RFP request: Request ok, Experiences ok, Thumbs-up, Case closed.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - mwerte - 04-05-2008
Back before the "Faction Creation Request" subforum a group that wanted faction approval HAD to get the admins to sign off on an idea BEFORE posting it, THEN the community would rip them apart.
So they weren't automatic shoo-ins before this new subforum.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - bluntpencil2001 - 04-05-2008
Let it lie, elgato... you're kicking this analogy to death.
I think that examining existing factions in order to make them better is a great idea. It won't make them any worse, that's for certain, and we already have certain factions offering to act as guinea pigs.
Official Faction Spring Cleaning - Reverend Del - 04-05-2008
' Wrote:Exactly. The SICK people.As I have stated the BPA were approved by the admin team were they not? Pm'd to an admin and then approved? No doubt with discussion amongst themselves as to the pros and cons of the BPA, if that is the case then this does -not- affect you except in the fact that you might want to put up a feedback thread where issues can be discussed. Your continued status would not necessarily be affected, I somehow highly doubt the BPA has gone past the parameters of a police organisation.
Not the people who AREN'T sick.
Applied here, the "sick" factions, not the ones that are not.
And if you are intent on continuing this or decide to slander my person, yes, I am completely biased and motivated by my personal reasons when I am supporting what I am supporting. The reason being, I do not have the time for this, nor do I want to submit anyone in my faction to this.
Secondly, to all of you, cut the damn medical references, this is not a panacea for all your ills it's a suggestion to improve the general standard of the Faction Status'. It is not a rabies shot or an immunisation, or any other injection metaphor you'd like to raise. It is what it is. An attempt to bring every faction to the same level. Nothing more.
' Wrote:Back before the "Faction Creation Request" subforum a group that wanted faction approval HAD to get the admins to sign off on an idea BEFORE posting it, THEN the community would rip them apart.No but that was part two was it not? What we have at the moment is part 3 of the faction trilogy wherein Part 2 is reversed, before part 2 any faction could put up their status and provided they had five members they were in. It's those factions that this targets. All the others should simply have a feedback thread where people can go if they have an issue, but even those should be heavily moderated to prevent them turning into trial by forums.
So they weren't automatic shoo-ins before this new subforum.