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RE: ZA: End war talk - Sabru - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 02:43 PM)EisenSeele Wrote:(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Stuff
You forgot the parts where the ZA started shooting at everything, including other indie zoners, indie order, indie everything else, and other unaffiliated factions by default under the guise of "No more RP, we're at war"
You also forgot the parts where the ZA continued to dock their 5k's in Rheinland house space, and when they were told to stop, they started docking random unsensible alts with less than even the bare minimum of plausible RP to have large transports completely unaffiliated with the zoners, and even less than a tangential relationship with the ZA to dock in house space for materials.
You forgot the parts where the ZA started making order characters to shoot at other order ships.
You forgot about the part where they crapped over house diplomacy after shooting at house ships, pissing off both the Rheinland and Liberty intelligence factions.
You can paint any picture you want of anything if you skip over the inconvenient bits, but they're still there, and the verdict is quite clear.
Oh, and let's not forget the ZA leadership throwing a hissyfit and filing reports and shooting off nasty PM's whenever someone makes an RP post that inconveniences the ZA.
This is just how the ZA operates, and that's ignoring stuff like somehow pulling out more marines than all of the Zoners have in population and landing them on Livadia to "take" it over.
Whatever the other side did, at least it was done properly. There's no limit to what the ZA can do with the blessing of the community if it also does things properly.
i think you are wasting your post. ill bet 1 million credits that 'harryhicks' is a fake account for the ZA or its supporting lolwuts.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Thyrzul - 08-26-2013
Nice post you have here, let me adress some of these points you've brought up.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Freedom.
Not having people like Golalanski that wants to make them their b!tches.
Did you ever see a ZA trying to boss people around or locking down anything before they were attacked by the Order&co? Nope.
In fact I haven't seen any zoner doing that, nor rebelling against a bigger authority than themselves. Zoners are Zoners, a faction deemed to be scattered around and being surrounded by groups bigger than them. They are meant to make a living by compromises, survive by being useful and diplomatic, not by acting like they would be as strong as the rest.
If you want to have a group talking back and resisting the will of a bigger force, just look around, there are a plenty of revolutionary factions out here, who are indeed meant to fight.
Zoners are meant to earn their freedom by being let alone, and are meant to earn that by being useful to their surroundings.
If you want to have a group talking back and resisting the will of a bigger force, just look around, there are a plenty of revolutionary factions out here, who are indeed meant to fight.
Zoners are meant to earn their freedom by being let alone, and are meant to earn that by being useful to their surroundings.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Were they even building those bases by the jumpholes before there were indy nomads in o74 and theta? Nope.
One thing is what they have built them for in the first place, another thing is for what they have used them afterwards. Two very different things, and the difference here is important.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: You know Zelot that's why I like you. Even if you're a buffoon most of the time. Sometimes you manage to hit the nail on the head and make a proper judgment.
Licking. No comment.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Order caught ZA with nomads.
Order decides they care a lot about nomad remains possessed by zoners now.
Wow, so you are saying Order suddenly just started to care about nomad remains unlike before? Can you show me any precedent where Order became aware of somebody farming noms to this extent and did nothing about it?
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Order said hand em over.
ZA said no why should we, we never saw you care before or when other people did it.
ZA are (?) Zoners, a small group of hermits out in the Omicrons, and by lore, allied to the Order, they are nowhere close to question the motives of the Order. Especially in such an obivous case. Months prior to the ZA issue a directive has been sent out by Order to the Zoners about limits on nomad material hauling/possession. No Zoner, official or unofficial had any obligations against it, all have agreed upon the directive. Basically ZA haven't just questioned the Order, but the decision of the rest of the Zoner community.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Order gets other zoners to side with Order against ZA and start shooting them, and start a forum campaign based on the words "were at war no RP anymore" uttered by a ZA guy who felt he was being bullied, oorp attacked, and then being yelled at for not RPing.
See above, there you can find reasons why Zoners joined on the side of the Order in this. Also, can you provide evidence that the real situation, where that well-known quote have been said happened the way you described?
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: ZA uses existing defensive bases and juggies they used to kill nomad NPcs to defend themselves, locking down 74.
Order&co realize they cant beat up ZA.
POB bases get de-activated "because of issues"
Order and other zoners have a "victory celebration" in o74 shortly after POB get de-activated, with fireworks and champagne
Yup, here we go, a small, inRP insignificant group of Zoners decided to exploit an Alpha phase game feature with highly imbalanced nature to their own advantage, which of course granted them unreasonable invulnerability. Of course devs took them out, I welcome this decision.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: People ask for zoner caps to be removed, bashing ZA some more. Same old I-wanna-be-the-big-guy like Agmen and Saronsen jump up and down beating their chests.
Not sure if in this thread or in an other one, but it's been stated that the issue of Zoner caps is an approximately 6 year old and still ongoing issue. ZA were just an other example of how trigger-happy lolwuts are able to exploit the shipline and the ID.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: When ZA explain their actions the OP says "I told you not to play blame game". ZA offers to de-activate their platforms but not todestroy their bases because that would mean wasting hundreds of hours of work, and the people who tried to bully them away would just steamroll them afterwards.
Yup, hundreds of work meant to protect themselves, turning out to be a tool for terrorism and an inpenetrable protection against the rest of the people around themselves. Why? Because they can. And they did. Just because they spent hundreds of hours to build up those defenses doesn't justify the way they used them.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Golanski explains how he is not only Order leader but also boss of all Zoners, how the Order who just got wtfpwned by nomads is stronger than everyone, how it's the Order's RP to shoot zoners if they dont obey him, how its zoner RP to want to be his b!tches, and how ZA must submit to him completely.
Can't see this anywhere, mind pointing these pieces out for me? I only see him claiming authority over nomad material stuff, but that's perfectly within roleplay.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Zen_Mechanics - 08-26-2013
Still, you can't argue his point - his points are valid regardless of how sophisticated you are with the english language, do you deny these points or do you simply dismiss them as usual as part of your ongoing "beat-him-in-the-forum-troll-war" rythm. I was one of the lads who built all those stations and I can tell you there were not meant to block anyone BUT nomads, but clearly brain cells are in shortage around here - insisting your dogma doesn't do anything. If you would have done your research before trolling here you would notice The Order is by heart allied with the ZA - it only turned out to be flase due to ABCD - Do not even dear to say what I had in mind and if you do propose accusations, like fake journalists do - the least you can do is also input the reasons as to WHY it happend.
Edit 2 : ZA - Original five, are all ex-millitary, not six year olds - and if you want to continue insulting and degrading them and ME - i suggest you do it somewhere else, just not here - Thank you very much.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Lonely_Ghost - 08-26-2013
If only ZA would be CA (Core Aliance)...... Then they could be doing same things as they like, and being ok to say: Go and rape yourself the Order, we wont give you alien stuff! And we would have even more fun, because, it would be inRP and in lore, aren't it.
Hey ZA guys, may be you will try your role as Core? Nom-nom research, cattlebruisers, Makos ( which are meant to be Battleships for battles, not mobile colony).
Oh and sorry for off-topic. Just sad, a bit, that when war gona end, omicrons will turn back into boring place.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Sabru - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 03:35 PM)Lonely_Ghost Wrote: If only ZA would be CA (Core Aliance)...... Then they could be doing same things as they like, and being ok to say: Go and rape yourself the Order, we wont give you alien stuff! And we would have even more fun, because, it would be inRP and in lore, aren't it.
Hey ZA guys, may be you will try your role as Core? Nom-nom research, cattlebruisers, Makos ( which are meant to be Battleships for battles, not mobile colony).
Oh and sorry for off-topic. Just sad, a bit, that when war gona end, omicrons will turn back into boring place.
hahah.... theres another idea. breathe life into a faction that can, inRP actually do that and have justification for it.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Thyrzul - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 03:16 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Still, you can't argue his point - his points are valid regardless of how sophisticated you are with the english language, do you deny these points or do you simply dismiss them as usual as part of your ongoing "beat-him-in-the-forum-troll-war" rythm.
So his points are valid because you say they are valid and that I am just trolling... what a fine arguement we can see here, ladies and gentlemen. Seriously, "because I say so" arguements may work between an adult and a 5 year old, but sure not here. You should know that by now.
(08-26-2013, 03:16 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: I was one of the lads who built all those stations and I can tell you there were not meant to block anyone BUT nomads,
(08-26-2013, 03:04 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:One thing is what they have built them for in the first place, another thing is for what they have used them afterwards. Two very different things, and the difference here is important.
(08-26-2013, 03:16 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: but clearly brain cells are in shortage around here
I totally agree with you, although not in the sense you may think of, (and I notice some lack of reading skills around too,) and I also have to note that this coming from your person adds a little bit of hypocrisy to it.
(08-26-2013, 03:16 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: If you would have done your research before trolling here you would notice The Order is by heart allied with the ZA - it only turned out to be flase due to ABCD - Do not even dear to say what I had in mind and if you do propose accusations, like fake journalists do - the least you can do is also input the reasons as to WHY it happend.
Do you mind elaborating on this line of your thoughts? Like what trolling did I have, or what research haven't I done? What alliance between ZA and the Order are you speaking about, which turned out to be false due to what ABCD? After that what you says becomes even more gibberish to me, so please, help me out.
So far I backed my claims with reasons, point me to where I haven't, and I'll fix it.
So far I backed my claims with reasons, point me to where I haven't, and I'll fix it.
(08-26-2013, 03:16 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Edit 2 : ZA - Original five, are all ex-millitary, not six year olds - and if you want to continue insulting and degrading them and ME - i suggest you do it somewhere else, just not here - Thank you very much.
I was talking about the issue of Zoner caps, not the ZA (again, lack of reading skills...), and it wasn't me who said that (ProwlerPC on response to RedEclipse). Besides is there really any connection with the original Zoner Alliance and your bunch other than the choice of name (and maybe the trigger-happy nature)?
But hey, Lonely_Ghost actually got a point here... What all you have done, this outright wish to gather nomnom materials, the excessive use of caps for pew and the open hostility against Order would have made way more sense if you guys would have been actually Core players. Everything would be pretty fine inRP (expect if you would lock down O74 regardless, but your own home system, okay).
But hey, Lonely_Ghost actually got a point here... What all you have done, this outright wish to gather nomnom materials, the excessive use of caps for pew and the open hostility against Order would have made way more sense if you guys would have been actually Core players. Everything would be pretty fine inRP (expect if you would lock down O74 regardless, but your own home system, okay).
RE: ZA: End war talk - UK1 - 08-26-2013
Just for the record and to set things straight once and for all.
No group or faction has ever made us remove/decommission any of our installations.
IE :- The first base/station we constructed in the middle of the kappa jump whole was removed by our own choice
after the AI group and others made strong complaints.
We choose to remove it,we were not forced to.
IE :- Our hidden storage base under the lavadia shipyard...
It was long promised its removal after some debate and complains from many others.
To which even thou the order got involved we choose to remove it.
We were never forced to do it....
Despite what any one party is trying to take credit for here with such comments we have always done what is in our
own best interests at the time and never fallen to the whims of others demands or threats...
RE: ZA: End war talk - UK1 - 08-26-2013
Also I have no idea who harry hicks is...
Just because someone makes a new account doesn't mean there a ZA spy etc
So I'm only gonna say hes entitled to his opinion weather its in our favor or totally against us...
Just like the rest of you....
RE: ZA: End war talk - The.Wizard - 08-26-2013
This all sounds so familiar...
Every time when group of players organize themselves to do some stuff and try some RP (within lore of course)
immediately starts bandwagon of trolls telling them "you can't do this-you can't do that-you're lolwuts,cap-whores" and whatnot.
Usually those groups bring activity to neighborhood and forum,things starts happening and life is brought back to game.
Before this happened Omicrons we're dead,now there is activity,rp,hunting,base-building.fighting and evan wars going on there.
But there is a dark force lurking on forums and in-game trying to make things as boring as possible,
not allowing anything to happen if it's not approved by almighty them.
I bet this whole thing started cause ZA guys didn't ask skype permission from Pixel-admiral & few self-proclamed "Vip's",
thus insulting unforgivably their extra-large pixel ego.
Omicron 74 is Zoner guard system and nobody but Zoners can decide what's going on there.
It's up to Zoners to resolve this situation,not Order or anyone alse.
This is not the first time Pixel-admiral trying to do this crap and ZA is not first Indi group taking this kind of rubbish.
ZA is not responsible for unfortunate design where only way to build bases and factory's is to go totally oorp due to Nomad remains.
Unfortunately again,Omicrons are not only systems who we're dead-brought back to life by indi group-facing death again
cause "Vip's" got butthurted.
My humble advice to ZA is to tell Pixel-admiral exactly the same thing TCG told him and his predecessor long time ago:
Go to hell!
If you stay united and keep your RP within lore,there's nothing he can do but cry and watch you play your game.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Lonely_Ghost - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 04:58 PM)UK1 Wrote: Just like the rest of you....
No offence bro, but you making your enemies by yourself. If you would be doing your stuff as Core, you could lock, for example, Delta JH, and we all could have fun. Nobody would probably have anything against your nom-nom research RP, many, I think, would be glad to join, IF, you would be Core. And everyone would understand: Yeah, they are inRP badass guys, like Umberla corp from RE, they doing their evil science stuff, they have mad professors inside their labs, and they doing scary experiment on their stations, which are guarded by numerouse Bullheads and Makos. And nobody would be telling: Remove Makos, or remove Bullhead, if you would be using them much.
Everybody would understand: Yes, they using BHG warships, which are meant to hunt nom-noms, rape osirises, rade Gamma and Alpha and so on. And it's better candidate for a role you gave to mobile base.
And if you would lock, for example JH to Delta system from both sides, there would be rage and Q_Q too, how without them, but it would be understandable for BHG Core. Like: Yeah, they are in war with the Order, and they doing their best in it, and taking control as they could do.
So guys, you could have made enemies, like the Order, Sairs, and OCs, but you also could have made friends, definatly, wont turn majority of this community against you.