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RE: ZA: End war talk - Thyrzul - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: This all sounds so familiar...
Every time when group of players organize themselves to do some stuff and try some RP (within lore of course)
immediately starts bandwagon of trolls telling them "you can't do this-you can't do that-you're lolwuts,cap-whores" and whatnot.
So, are you telling us it is within lore for Zoners to openly oppose Order authority over handling of nomad materials? Point me to the part which says this, please.
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: not allowing anything to happen if it's not approved by almighty them.
I bet this whole thing started cause ZA guys didn't ask skype permission from Pixel-admiral & few self-proclamed "Vip's",
thus insulting unforgivably their extra-large pixel ego.
Ever thought that "almighty them" might be the ones who are caring somethign about roleplay plausability and immersion? I know it is just too easy to blame everything on ego an e-peen, because such arguements doesn't require much insight into what really happened, but then it wouldn't really result in an accurate view on the events.
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: Omicron 74 is Zoner guard system and nobody but Zoners can decide what's going on there.
Aaaaand this is the uptenth +1 person to state the thousandth +1 time that it is not a Guard System ever since the Omicrons have disbanded. I don't really get what's so hard in understanding this.
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: It's up to Zoners to resolve this situation,not Order or anyone alse.
Order and Core are the experts when it comes to nomad materials, it is indeed up to them to resolve such breaches of regulations as what the ZA have committed.
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: ZA is not responsible for unfortunate design where only way to build bases and factory's is to go totally oorp due to Nomad remains.
Yet ZA is responsible for how they decided to solve (or not solve) the issue, and for their general attitude to their surroundings.
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: If you stay united and keep your RP within lore,there's nothing he can do but cry and watch you play your game.
Within lore, yes, that would be good.
RE: ZA: End war talk - UK1 - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 05:29 PM)Wizard. Wrote: This all sounds so familiar...
Every time when group of players organize themselves to do some stuff and try some RP (within lore of course)
immediately starts bandwagon of trolls telling them "you can't do this-you can't do that-you're lolwuts,cap-whores" and whatnot.
Usually those groups bring activity to neighborhood and forum,things starts happening and life is brought back to game.
Before this happened Omicrons we're dead,now there is activity,rp,hunting,base-building.fighting and evan wars going on there.
But there is a dark force lurking on forums and in-game trying to make things as boring as possible,
not allowing anything to happen if it's not approved by almighty them.
I bet this whole thing started cause ZA guys didn't ask skype permission from Pixel-admiral & few self-proclamed "Vip's",
thus insulting unforgivably their extra-large pixel ego.
Omicron 74 is Zoner guard system and nobody but Zoners can decide what's going on there.
It's up to Zoners to resolve this situation,not Order or anyone alse.
This is not the first time Pixel-admiral trying to do this crap and ZA is not first Indi group taking this kind of rubbish.
ZA is not responsible for unfortunate design where only way to build bases and factory's is to go totally oorp due to Nomad remains.
Unfortunately again,Omicrons are not only systems who we're dead-brought back to life by indi group-facing death again
cause "Vip's" got butthurted.
My humble advice to ZA is to tell Pixel-admiral exactly the same thing TCG told him and his predecessor long time ago:
Go to hell!
If you stay united and keep your RP within lore,there's nothing he can do but cry and watch you play your game.
Thanks for the kind words my friend...
If you or anyone else was there people might just of witnessed the large fleet
assault on our bases and system blockaids etc
Yet were still here.lol
If you weren't there then you really have mist out on a massive laughter even.
Watching the mases by far out numbering the ZA fleet anything from 3 to 5 to 1.
Yet were still here alive and kicking...
And to date with such few numbers were still royally ticking them off even thou most of us are on holiday right now.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Anaximander - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 05:43 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: So, are you telling us it is within lore for Zoners to openly oppose Order authority over handling of nomad materials? Point me to the part which says this, please.
Point us to the part where it says it isn't please.
(08-26-2013, 05:43 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Aaaaand this is the uptenth +1 person to state the thousandth +1 time that it is not a Guard System ever since the Omicrons have disbanded. I don't really get what's so hard in understanding this.
That's a technicality. Any way you put it, it's still a Zoner system so point still stands. Zoners have the same jurisdiction in non-Guard O74 as LN does in non-Guard NY. Don't really get what's so hard to understand about that.
(08-26-2013, 05:43 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Yet ZA is responsible for how they decided to solve (or not solve) the issue, and for their general attitude to their surroundings.
Well sure, but it takes two to tango. When met with an ultimatum people either fold or throw in their entire weight in combating it. That's the danger about using ultimatums, you have to be ready to face the consequences rather than go cry on the forum. A roleplay ultimatum was put forth, and it was denied in roleplay. Deal with it.
(08-26-2013, 05:43 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Within lore, yes, that would be good.
There hardly is any definitive Zoner lore, just various factions playing out various flavours over the years. The ones you cling to have been different, with different roleplay as well. They aren't "monolithic" or holders of "true lore", they are as fickle, temperamental and "home made" as everything else here.
EDIT: For the record I think it's just fine that Order is krieging, although it's remarkable how they haven't chosen to krieg other groups more or less guilty of the same inrp crimes - I just don't think it's fair that people out of roleplay try to tell ZA how they "ought to" respond.
RE: ZA: End war talk - The.Wizard - 08-26-2013
Thyrzul,i wish i had your brain so i could relax for a few days.
RE: ZA: End war talk - DarthBindo - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 03:04 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:Really.Nice post you have here, let me adress some of these points you've brought up.
(08-26-2013, 02:16 PM)HarryHicks Wrote: Freedom.
Not having people like Golalanski that wants to make them their b!tches.
Did you ever see a ZA trying to boss people around or locking down anything before they were attacked by the Order&co? Nope.
In fact I haven't seen any zoner doing that, nor rebelling against a bigger authority than themselves. Zoners are Zoners, a faction deemed to be scattered around and being surrounded by groups bigger than them. They are meant to make a living by compromises, survive by being useful and diplomatic, not by acting like they would be as strong as the rest.
If you want to have a group talking back and resisting the will of a bigger force, just look around, there are a plenty of revolutionary factions out here, who are indeed meant to fight.
Zoners are meant to earn their freedom by being let alone, and are meant to earn that by being useful to their surroundings.
From where I sit, the Zoners have a long, and storied history of telling the Corsair Empire and the Bounty Hunter Core to stick it where the sun don't shine.
As we chat they plan a rebellion against the Corsairs.
Oh, and here's food for thought, the very faction that claims to be above this nonsense pissed off the largest military faction (in roleplay,still significant in player count) in all of Sirius with their shenanigans, a faction that is now, in both roleplay and in-game battles, kicking the everloving crap out of both the Bretonians and Liberty.
Why?
For fredom and justis, of course, why else do the Zoners do anything?
If actions truly do have consequences, I'm waiting for the Gauls to steamroll through Baffin.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Thyrzul - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 08:48 PM)DarthBindo Wrote: From where I sit, the Zoners have a long, and storied history of telling the Corsair Empire and the Bounty Hunter Core to stick it where the sun don't shine.
As we chat they plan a rebellion against the Corsairs.
Hmm, interesting... could you please tell me more about that?
(08-26-2013, 08:48 PM)DarthBindo Wrote: Oh, and here's food for thought, the very faction that claims to be above this nonsense pissed off the largest military faction (in roleplay,still significant in player count) in all of Sirius with their shenanigans, a faction that is now, in both roleplay and in-game battles, kicking the everloving crap out of both the Bretonians and Liberty.
Why?
For fredom and justis, of course, why else do the Zoners do anything?
If actions truly do have consequences, I'm waiting for the Gauls to steamroll through Baffin.
With what did TAZ piss off GRN? (If I assume right that you are talking about TAZ) Bad words? Don't recall anything sigificant to take the attention of the gauls much. I don't really think Gallia would consider TAZ too much of a threat to even care about them. If only for a quick laugh...
@Anaximander
I have almost started to miss you
Don't think I forgot you, I just got stuck right at your first point... digging up rumors takes time.
@Anaximander
I have almost started to miss you
Don't think I forgot you, I just got stuck right at your first point... digging up rumors takes time.RE: ZA: End war talk - Echelon - 08-26-2013
Another ZA thread.
I have a Idea: Admins Move the base from the jumphole if you decide to re-enable bases. and za stop warring people and play zoners as they were ment to be played. not a powergaming cap ship fleet, this isn't trying to rude but if this happened things would die down alot quicker for the better. then we don't have to read all these threads. its the same thing over and over. i've been gone from disco for about a month and I still see these threads over the same argument. it isn't even funny anymore to see all this childish arguing and blaming over metagaming and more oorp ,
RE: ZA: End war talk - Crackpunch - 08-26-2013
I like how ZA arguments tend to consist of "You can't argue with that!" when you clearly can.
RE: ZA: End war talk - DarthBindo - 08-27-2013
(08-26-2013, 09:17 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:Seriously? Have you been paying attention? There's only a Zonerzonerzoner flare-up every six months. Freeport 9 with the core, Freeport 9 and the Omicroners, Freeport 1 and the Bretonian Rheinland war, Freeport 9 again, and then again, with the now-ex omicroners and then some indie dude, Freeport 5, The recent Gran Canaria events which still haven't fully resolved and are apparently the tipping point for Zoner-Corsair relations, the shark-jumping, if you would.(08-26-2013, 08:48 PM)DarthBindo Wrote: From where I sit, the Zoners have a long, and storied history of telling the Corsair Empire and the Bounty Hunter Core to stick it where the sun don't shine.
As we chat they plan a rebellion against the Corsairs.
Hmm, interesting... could you please tell me more about that?
(08-26-2013, 09:17 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:If I remember correctly, they tried to put the head of the then-leader of the GRN (Dab's Princess or something) on a pointy stick and then hang it outside their castle wall for various shenanigans.(08-26-2013, 08:48 PM)DarthBindo Wrote: Oh, and here's food for thought, the very faction that claims to be above this nonsense pissed off the largest military faction (in roleplay,still significant in player count) in all of Sirius with their shenanigans, a faction that is now, in both roleplay and in-game battles, kicking the everloving crap out of both the Bretonians and Liberty.
Why?
For fredom and justis, of course, why else do the Zoners do anything?
If actions truly do have consequences, I'm waiting for the Gauls to steamroll through Baffin.
[align=justify][color=#FFFFFF]With what did TAZ piss off GRN? (If I assume right that you are talking about TAZ) Bad words? Don't recall anything sigificant to take the attention of the gauls much. I don't really think Gallia would consider TAZ too much of a threat to even care about them. If only for a quick laugh...
All I truly remember is Dab and Doc having a showdown and the ever-valiant SCRA coming to the rescue half a galactic sector away.
Tht and the bounty. The bounty on TAZ was delicious.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Daedric - 08-27-2013
(08-26-2013, 06:30 AM)DarthBindo Wrote: They were farming nomad remains for use in cloak factories on their PoB's.
That's what started this whole shebang, you know, that one activity that literally anyone who produces cloaks does.
Oh, and that the OSI and the TAZ do as well.
I won't deny OSI farmed squids when I was around....but we didn't let the Order catch us with them and our pilots were under orders to hand the remains over if caught with more than the Order liked (as not to cause diplomatic issues).
(08-26-2013, 07:16 AM)DarthBindo Wrote: That would be really silly, seeing as how O-74 is a Zoner Guard system, originally owned by the Omicroners, at which few would dare enter, and only at their peril.
Not to mention that the ZA didn't powergame "oh we locked down the system".
They went full hog and built like thirty or fourty defensive platforms around POBS at the holes, literally locking down the system.
74 wasn't originally owned by the Omicroners. It was around long before the ZTC purchased it and before the Omicroners inherited it after the ZTC's departure. I'm not sure how you can make the claim 'few would dare enter' as the system has always been a highway used by everyone to move from the Omegas/Sigmas/Lower Omicrons to the deeper Omicrons.
Though, I will agree. Not really power gaming when you took the time to build that many PoBs, platforms, and supply them.
Hard to really pass judgment on one side or the other (and who am I to do so? Or any of us?). From the back and forth it seems like ALL parties involved have done things that are ooRP, things that are inRP, and things that are just silly.
As for the ZA's right to tell the Order to shove it where Canaria's sun don't shine? They have that right and it doesn't make them any less of a Zoner to tell the Order to shove off. OSI has done it before; under my leadership and at my command. Of course, that doesn't mean there won't be any consequences for it.
Only thing I can see that they've done that is MEH is the use of non-ZA transports to supply their base as a means to get around the Zoner ID's restriction. Of course, the whole issue with the possibility of one of their members cheating also factors in.
Dunno, this one doesn't seem like the typical ZonerZonerZoner where some idiots do stuff specifically to cause trouble and incite ZonerZonerZoner. Just seems like these guys made some inRP bad/hard choices and had to deal with the consequences (and perhaps some of the consequences went above and beyond what they should have been). Then people jumped the Zx3 bandwagon like norms.