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Rorry's Renegades |RR - rwx - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:better you joined BHG and brought more activity to standart factions, then making new
Then he cannot pewpew Rheinland lawfuls with his gallia ships.
(Ohh and regarding the MM/Reavers - don't know if they have gallia tech access.)
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Benjamin - 03-21-2012
Re: rheinland is unlawful faction graveyard
"It's their fault/not our fault"
Who is they? Vrabcek is the only guy I know who still plays a Bundie. Is it his fault he's not a 5 man 30hr faction? This is a community, more or less, and I'd say playerwise it's everyone's fault. Except for Vrabcek.
I agree w/mwerte that I'd like to see all the vanilla factions taken before we start making new ones, but I get that that's a personal thing.
And I get that the bundschuh and lwb are hard factions to play, and rr very easy. It's not rr sucking the life out of lwb/bundschuh though, it's the red hessians, and it's not their fault. I don't know unioner biz but I'm assuming this irl years-long rheinb embargo hasn't been truly baller for them.
Talking of hard to play/easy to play, I think there's a knee-jerk reaction (that I can sympathise with) that sees a faction that pirates and takes bounties and uses what ships it wants and what guns it wants as 'lesser' somehow. Although I've got no issue w/your set up, I'd guess that the group is made up of guys who only really play RR, if you get what I mean? Has that vibe of being a group of players rather than a group of characters.
This is getting pretty rambly sorry. If I make one suggestion for the good of those dead and dying rheinland unlawfuls, I'd say don't be their friend. Hessians not so much, but lwb/bundschuh have been played as very patriotic since the dawn of time afaik, and when I see elwubs showing up in your "pals" section the part of me that plays lwb says ":/". Just a couple of days ago we were trying to shoo non-rheinland pirates out of rheinland. I don't get why we'd be pals, essentially. You might be corsair-killing omega pals with the hessians and idk what unioners are all about but it doesn't sit right with the other two imo. And from gameplay perspective, it works nicer. The other reason rheinland unlawfuls struggle is that they're all friends. If we're enemies, seeing you guys up in Rheinland gives me another reason to log on.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - JayDee Kasane - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:Then he cannot pewpew Rheinland lawfuls with his gallia ships.
(Ohh and regarding the MM/Reavers - don't know if they have gallia tech access.)
Mmm? Since when Gallic Brigands (or who else...) making their ships open to pirates that will attack not even GRN but RM? Is that some sort a new RP?
And just look at it: again Omegas/Rheinland? Taus now feel themself empty, Sigmas are empty as well. And I dont see Kusari or Independent worlds active now. but Omegas is full of pirates that pirating people, attack each other and fighting militarys as well.
Why make populated space even more populated? Almost every time Im online to pirate abit I see RR or Jokerz near me. Even Hessians now not so powerful/active as this 2 ''small pirate factions''. when by Lore Omegas is Hessian/Corsair space people creating more and more different factions that can pew everyone in their ZOI and dont care about whole staff about ballance between system population
Edit: I personally have 1 pirate char per House now: 1 LR, 1 Gaian, 1 FA, 1 Unioner
soon I will make lawful ships: 1 LN, 1 RM, 1 BAF and 1 KNF
I have my 3 main RP chars: Corsair, AI and Junker. and a SCRA char of cource
I dont have any need to create independent pirate, when there is good opportunity in basic factions
Anoher Edit: I knew that my words will be ignored and faction will still here, but I hope at least dont see another group of terrorists around Omegas. Not that im QQ about how many players attacking Corsairs and how many enemys of Sairs now, but at least think about ballance: right now by Lore Corsairs must attack Bretonia and Omegas to gain more territory and power, but they just siting on Crete awaiting another raid from RR/MM/Hessians..... You ruining Lore by creating more and more PvP factions.
wanna kill people? go play EVE, CS, CoD. Dont make PvP idea is main on Disco
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Loken - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:Aside from that, my few dealings with the RR have been mixed. I must say though, that responding to a PM complaint asking you to talk to your member (rather then file a sanction report) with a "I expected more from you then rulelawyering" was disappointing to say the least.That's funny considering one of the only things I really see from RR is oorp whining and rule lawyering disguised as role play.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - mwerte - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:I don't quite understand your case. Shooting a transport without making a demand first is within the rules.Shooting, yes. But not destroying before a demand, and from his actions it was very clear that that is what he intended to do.
What's the potential breach of rules? It seems you were complaining about something that didn't happen.
To be honest, I'm not sure that that is the main problem though. The main problem (in my mind) is when I ask the leader of the faction to address a possible issue before someone gets sanctioned, and he responds with "I think it's ok for my members to break the rules, by the way, I'll insult you as well".
Rorry's Renegades |RR - dodike - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:Shooting, yes. But not destroying before a demand, and from his actions it was very clear that that is what he intended to do.What stopped him?
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Charos - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:What stopped him?Aliens
Rorry's Renegades |RR - mwerte - 03-21-2012
He ran out of CDs.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Veygaar - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:I don't quite understand your case. Shooting a transport without making a demand first is within the rules.Exactly what I thought. And mwerte you are further twisting the story.
What's the potential breach of rules? It seems you were complaining about something that didn't happen.
You were told to halt as you were docking with a lane, it was disrupted RIGHT as you were about to dock with it, so you were set to insta jump as soon as the lane came back up. The pirate told you to move away from the lane to keep this from happening so he can make a demand without having to worry about you flying away while talking.
So what do you do? *lol silent engage cruise cause he said "move away" from lane*
And so of course he would shoot you and CD you to try to get you to stay still, but you KEEP trying to flee and engage cruise making it very hard for someone to stop and type a demand while still trying to keep you from getting away with cruise while he's typing.
Sadly enough you do end up doing just this. Then you come and complain to me and he almost destroyed you w/o making a demand. Sad.
Now for the issue with 2 IDs:
It is my understanding that we can use both Pirate ID and Merc ID just fine once official. There are several official factions that already do this.
The intent of the ID is not to allow us to go collecting bounties on anyone, as you can see in the original post, but to represent the RP of our terrorism on the Corsair and Lawful Gallic Forces. So we would not want to join BHG/Reavers/Mandos like some of you are suggesting, because the point is NOT to bounty hunt, it is to wage war on the Corsairs and the Gallics. We specifically pirate to FUND the combat against the above mentioned targets, getting some credits for the kills we make is just a side effect of the current system in place. We're not mercs, we criminals/terrorists.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Laerethe - 03-21-2012
I personally disagree with your use of tech.
You claim to have 'retrieved' Order gunboats and snubcraft; so basically, you want to use some of the best ships in the game in order to have an advantage over your main enemies, the Corsairs?
Oh, its fine for you to take the secretive organisation's ships, simply because the tech nerf allows you. No inRP consequences will occur, at least from The Order, because you never really enroach upon their territory.
You use Corsair and FA tech against the Corsairs, but you're way out of FA ZOI, so no harm will befall you. Bounties? Irrelevant. So now we have Corsairs being killed by allied tech. Doesn't seem right.
Then you have free use of a large amount of rogue technology - Werewolves, gunboats and Barghests. Also, free use of the Sammael and Belial weapons; Sammael and Belial weapons have the highest DPS(of class 9/Class 2) in the game, last I saw. Freelancer/Pirates are not supposed to have access to that tech with their ZOI.
Also, LR and their tech have no business in Rheinland. Yes, in Liberty, but not in your ZOI.
But wait, there's more(good ol' Billy Mays). You're using GALLIC tech; Civilian, Brigand and Council. That's going to go down well, isn't it? I'm sure they'd be delighted to let you take all of that, and that Sirius is happy with you marauding with it.
All you're doing is stacking up tech that you shouldn't have access to, most of it OORP, in order to have an advantage over others who are using it inRP. By taking it out of the factions ZOI, you're preventing many consequences, but also going OORP and damaging the factions' relations. You just want to go stomp on the Corsairs like everyone else, with everybody else's tech.
Freelancers should stick to the civilian tech, and perhaps Zoner weaponry, if permission is given. If they are friendly with a particular faction, they may have access to that tech also.
However, taking tech from all manner of opposing and allied factions, and using it to kill the same is just unacceptable in my eyes. We Corsairs stick generally to our or civilian ships and weaponry, with a little allied technology from time to time. You should not be able to avoid such restrictions.
Next you'll be stealing Kusari Battleships and stomping on Liberty.