(03-24-2014, 12:48 AM)Echo 7-7 Wrote:

(03-23-2014, 10:07 PM)Nutline Wrote: ...
- T23 / T37 fights for OC's are over, devs put another system between 37/alpha
- OC's vs Corsair raids are over, we have plenty of systems full with rocks.
- Blood baths in O. Eta are over, for the same reason above
- We have an Outcast civil war, I've seen many OC's fighting each other (what the hell ...)
- Rheinland / Liberty raids are over (deactivated jumpgate ...)
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1) Omicron-80 switched places with Omicron-81. Travel time through O-80 is much shorter - it's a mere 25 k between the Tau-37 and Omicron Alpha jump holes. Unless you're complaining about the system's dust field, you can't say that it's made travel in that region worse.

2) Omicron Beta has clear paths (exclusion zones) in the asteroids between the base and jump holes. Omicron Theta also has exclusion zones following the patrol paths through its asteroid fields. Are you saying that the dust clouds in Sigma-19 and Sigma-17 / a few k's of asteroids in Gamma are too restrictive for capital ship travel?

3) An Outcast civil war is something the players have instigated, so I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.

4) Rheinland / Liberty raids shouldn't directly involve Outcasts, unless you're talking about LN caps not having enough large targets to shoot at.

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On the topic of the OP;

Removing Outcasts from Liberty completely just isn't going to happen - their presence in Liberty does go all the way back to securing their Cardamine smuggling routes in vanilla. However, open warfare with the forces of Liberty wasn't really an option, because the Outcasts don't have a large population, and it's better for their operations to stay under the radar, rather than attract attention. Therefore, the focus of the discussion (which has been pointed out already so I barely need to reiterate) is whether or not restrict Outcast capital ships from entering Liberty.

(03-24-2014, 02:33 AM)Mr. Altejago Wrote: What part of 'Rogue bases do not have the supplies needed to supply foreign capitals' did you not understand?

They're all rocks or makeshift rocks with scaffolding.

(03-24-2014, 03:34 AM)Mr. Altejago Wrote: So by your logic, we should continue having idiots congregate around Liberty instead of working on providing an answer to your ailing issue of Outcast activity.

Why not send your OC caps to Bretonia and fight the swarms of GRN?

Too logical, right?

(03-24-2014, 03:17 AM)Nutline Wrote: OC >< CORSAIR raids

4.85: Alpha, Eta (3 k of rocks), Theta (4-5k of rocks) Gamma - approx 10-15 min travel >< 3 systems

4.87 (v1): Alpha, Beta (full of rocks), s19, s17, theta, gamma - approx 25-30 min of travel >< 5 systems

4.87 (v2): Alpha, beta (full of rocks), eta, lambda (rocks again), gamma - approx 25-30 min of travel (lambda is HUGE) >< 4 systems

Conclusion: activity completely destroyed


OC >< T23 activity against IMG/Colonials

4.85: Alpha, T37, T23 - approx 5 min of travel >< 2 systems
4.87: Alpha, O80, T37, T23 - approx 15 min of travel >< 3 systems

Conclusion: not completely destroyed but many players won't bring their ships home for a long time.

(03-23-2014, 11:13 PM)Garrett Jax Wrote:

(03-23-2014, 10:45 PM)Govedo13 Wrote: In order to have quality Rp 2 conditions appeal:
1. To have active players that play the game.
2. To motivate those to provide quality Rp.

Your suggestions are to punish them for not providing the said quality Rp via FR 5 or to force them to leave the game via ID nerf.
GG.
Your kind of thinking works if it is 2010 and the server is 195/200 24/7
Devs and admins should just change a lot in their attitude or soon the server would be so empty that the same people that cry for nerf now would seek the noob dreads in order not to Rp to themselves.

Quote:I mean 3 simple steps would fix the server really fast:
1: Delete 1/3 of the systems while making clever System layout that allows interaction and fights.
2: Give the factions more options and extras combined with deep-in-RP actions with sever consequences.
3: Fix the trading system that promote hoarding of credits and introduce the economy of loss.

I wasn't suggesting any course of action, just presenting options. I've read over your suggestions, Govedo13. As far as 1 and 3, that's not my dept, but I've wracked my brain trying to figure out ways to reward official factions without taking away from indies. We were able to do that to some extent with Core 5 bases. If you have some specific suggestions on how to do this, I'm willing to entertain them.