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Re-Working - Alley - 10-07-2011
Let's keep things nice, shall we.
As you can see Vey, that's quite a lot of experienced players that are telling you what's wrong here. So well, I guess that gives you something to work from to improve;)
Re-Working - RAL - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:Well if a faction is looking for feedback, that generally means only one thing, they have ambitions to one day try for official status, as doing that requires people liking them and understanding what they do and why they do it. If they just wanted to stay unofficial for ever, there would be no need to care about what others think, so long as the rules are obeyed, and hence no feedback.
I'm pointing out that while they get away with behaviour like that while unofficial, all it serves to do is further lower the general opinion of the faction, as it is something that more respected factions are expected not to do.
We are not going official, nor plan to. Obviously if we were, we reduce it to one ID. So don't make assumptions that a unofficial faction wont care what the community thinks;).
Secondly, I think the amount of Gunboats sent to Gamma was excessive, but then again, so is the amount of Capital ships that is usually sitting outside Crete.
Quote:- put a tag on your ships
Why? To what purpose would this serve other then to have us stick out like a sore thumb? Again, we are not at this time even thinking about going official. Sounds like you want a easy way to bounty RR ships, which in that case you can find all the names in the RR faction page.
Quote:- stop flying GB swarms or you'll end up like the EDGE
Agreed. I dont even own a Gunboat, never been a fan of them. But 5 Gunboats anywhere is WAY to much.
Quote:Also, I don't know what you're talking about when you say you were ganked, as far as I am concerned, 10 v 3 (your lot being the 10, and me,
Even though I was not present for that, considering how they made 100 million off you just that day in two hours, I can be fairly confident that there was more then three of you, so thats not gonna fly. Plus, 10 is a extremely exaggerated number, as we dont even have 10 people that are regularly active, our timezones vary greatly. More like 5.
As for the Council business, I dont know what to even say about that. That argument started off clearly OORP and then was taken to RP, which was poor conduct. Yea, I have skype to, it is not hard to organize something between two factions strictly OORP just to turn on another because you suddenly dont want to give them something, or want anymore interactions with them. Food for thought.
Re-Working - Daedric - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:Also, I don't think I've seen any response to the issue of using the Pirate ID as a primary ID, while trying to claim bounties with Merc IDs, which is prohibited by your primary ID.
The specific thing you are referring to isn't an actual rule. The Faction Creation Rules have no statement saying that ships utilizing a secondary ID have to play by the restrictions on the primary ID. All it says is that ships using the secondary ID are bound to the same ship and weapon restrictions that the primary ID is.
Thus an official faction that isn't allowed to hunt bounties on their primary ID can in fact use a mercenary ID to work around that. No where in the rules does it make that a no no. I assume that many of us (as I always operated under that very principle) know it as an unspoken rule.
Re-Working - Dashiell - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:Even though I was not present for that, considering how they made 100 million off you just that day in two hours, I can be fairly confident that there was more then three of you, so thats not gonna fly. Plus, 10 is a extremely exaggerated number, as we dont even have 10 people that are regularly active, our timezones vary greatly. More like 5.
Nope. 3 of us. So it will, in fact, fly. Me, Montezuma, Fran. Count em up. That's 3.
And your numbers were 10 or near it. I spotted at least 6 gbs, 1 bomber and an OC dread called Coca Cola Truck. Good rp, si? And later more ships wandered in from your lot.
' Wrote:As for the Council business, I dont know what to even say about that. That argument started off clearly OORP and then was taken to RP, which was poor conduct. Yea, I have skype to, it is not hard to organize something between two factions strictly OORP just to turn on another because you suddenly dont want to give them something, or want anymore interactions with them. Food for thought.
The way the council tech is being used, I'd say the council has reason to be p-ed off. Same for Zoners. Not only are you using zoner guns on Sairs, you also mount raids on Cannibal Home from Zoner bases and use them as cover while under fire and then dock on them once GB missle spam can't save you anymore.
The Zoners had their guts ripped out by 2 factions before for helping their enemies. the Sairs were 1 of the factions which decided to strongarm the zoners to proof a point. If this keeps up, The Zoners may very well get visits again from angry mobs. Which means they will have to drop their support to your group, or drop dead themselves.
actions have consequences.
Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:Secondly, I think the amount of Gunboats sent to Gamma was excessive, but then again, so is the amount of Capital ships that is usually sitting outside Crete.Crete is our capital. Our home.
It's comparative to Manhattan or Malta.
It's the main staging point, and where all our capitals moor.
Complaining about the number of capitals near Crete is like complaining there are too many Zoners on a Freeport, or too many Mollys in Dublin, or too many traders on the trade lanes.
They belong there.
Your gangs of gunboats, however, do not, not in such numbers, not with such tactics.
' Wrote:Even though I was not present for that, considering how they made 100 million off you just that day in two hours, I can be fairly confident that there was more then three of you, so thats not gonna fly.Dockkilling one at a time will still get you a ton of cash.
Re-Working - RAL - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:Nope. 3 of us. So it will, in fact, fly. Me, Montezuma, Fran. Count em up. That's 3.
And your numbers were 10 or near it. I spotted at least 6 gbs, 1 bomber and an OC dread called Coca Cola Truck. Good rp, si? And later more ships wandered in from your lot.
The way the council tech is being used, I'd say the council has reason to be p-ed off. Same for Zoners. Not only are you using zoner guns on Sairs, you also mount raids on Cannibal Home from Zoner bases and use them as cover while under fire and then dock on them once GB missle spam can't save you anymore.
The Zoners had their guts ripped out by 2 factions before for helping their enemies. the Sairs were 1 of the factions which decided to strongarm the zoners to proof a point. If this keeps up, The Zoners may very well get visits again from angry mobs. Which means they will have to drop their support to your group, or drop dead themselves.
actions have consequences.
I suppose you were each worth 33 million in credits then? Right. As I said, I was not there, but it sounds like it managed to just poor into your corridor and ended up with you three being shot at. Not going to argue over something I wasn't present for though.
In what way is the council tech being used badly? The council knows that we are shooting the CR/IMG/whatever. It was even mutually agreed upon that both sides deny how we got it. If your talking about use in PVP/Abuse of GBs/ganks/whatever, then I do not know much about that.
The Zoner thing, I have not a clue about. But the fact you are threatening zoners makes me giggle.
Re-Working - blubba - 10-07-2011
Quote:Secondly, I think the amount of Gunboats sent to Gamma was excessive, but then again, so is the amount of Capital ships that is usually sitting outside Crete
That was going so well until you added that line. It's their homeworld. However many you met was clearly not enough, evidenced by this conversation. This is supposed to be an RP server not a PvP one. Don't be so snide and niave to defend your actions through someone elses, especially when your comments are clearly unwarranted.
Sorry but I felt that was necessary.
Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:The Zoner thing, I have not a clue about. But the fact you are threatening zoners makes me giggle.You keep angering the Corsairs and eventually they lean on the Zoners, and the Junkers, and now where do the Renegades dock?
Re-Working - Vito - 10-07-2011
Dear RAL, when a lot of people from a large variety of factions tell you you're doing it wrong you might want to change something
Re-Working - RAL - 10-07-2011
' Wrote:That was going so well until you added that line. It's their homeworld. However many you met was clearly not enough, evidenced by this conversation. This is supposed to be an RP server not a PvP one. Don't be so snide and niave to defend your actions through someone elses, especially when your comments are clearly unwarranted.
Sorry but I felt that was necessary.
I did not say there was a thing wrong with it. There can be a million there for all I care, as you say, it is their homeworld. It doesnt mean I dont think the numbers are excessive though.
' Wrote:Dear RAL, when a lot of people from a large variety of factions tell you you're doing it wrong you might want to change something
I see a lot of corsairs here actually. But we are not perfect, no one is. There are things that need to be changed.