' Wrote:In fact Apotheosis right. I see that RR just using all good tech to make PvP advantage. Why would Order give terrorists their tech? Why would FA will give their tech, so it could be used against Corsairs? Why so many other so different tech is in hands of one Pirate-Terrorist faction?
Even if all this was gived somehow with RP, with rules and tech-chart, this is just not fair to use best guns on best ships. Ballance ruins here, even if this with RP and Rules

' Wrote:Why would FA will give their tech, so it could be used against Corsairs?

' Wrote:Please direct me to where they are addressed. My concern is your abuse of the tech system, and how OORP much of what you do is.
Just because they are 'playing the rules' does not mean there isn't an issue. Surely I am not the only one who has a problem with Sammael equipped Nepthys running amok with Hathor and LR gunboats in Rheinland? Because that's what we're allowing.

' Wrote:I personally disagree with your use of tech.
Awesome, I personally disagree with your disagree and I will show you why below.

You claim to have 'retrieved' Order gunboats and snubcraft; so basically, you want to use some of the best ships in the game in order to have an advantage over your main enemies, the Corsairs?
Retrieved and reworked. Please do not tell me that having an Order fighter than can shoot for 2 seconds before being out of juice is somehow an "advantage" over our main enemies, that is unless you're telling a joke. And don't say that a Hathor with a nerfed power core down to that of a GS is somehow better or an advantage over the Corsair's Imperator.

Oh, its fine for you to take the secretive organisation's ships, simply because the tech nerf allows you. No inRP consequences will occur, at least from The Order, because you never really enroach upon their territory.
I was told directly after notifying the Order leader of the transpiring events that Order would hunt and bounty us to no end, I have yet to see this but and fine with, and willing to accept that. If fact I made the decision thinking this WOULD happen.

You use Corsair and FA tech against the Corsairs, but you're way out of FA ZOI, so no harm will befall you. Bounties? Irrelevant. So now we have Corsairs being killed by allied tech. Doesn't seem right.
Even the USA gets shot at with our own guns, I don't get why people freak out about this happening. Regardless I'd like to point you towards madvillian's post a few pages back saying he's fine with us using some Corsair tech because it makes sense. For your viewing pleasure, the AFA deal. Even though it is stated that we wont be using this anymore you seems to want to bring it up.

Then you have free use of a large amount of rogue technology - Werewolves, gunboats and Barghests. Also, free use of the Sammael and Belial weapons; Sammael and Belial weapons have the highest DPS(of class 9/Class 2) in the game, last I saw. Freelancer/Pirates are not supposed to have access to that tech with their ZOI.
I'd like to point out first off, that this tech was acquired BEFORE .86, meaning before these guns got a buff. We didn't know they'd get better with the update, we carried out this role play to gain some variety, not to gain OP'd setups. I should point out again that with the nerf these ships have ZERO advantage over any of our enemies. LR Deal once again.

Also, LR and their tech have no business in Rheinland. Yes, in Liberty, but not in your ZOI.
[b]Why? Show me grounds for this claim. Then explain to me how Reavers and Mandos use tech cross-house, and explain to me why we are a different case?

But wait, there's more(good ol' Billy Mays). You're using GALLIC tech; Civilian, Brigand and Council. That's going to go down well, isn't it? I'm sure they'd be delighted to let you take all of that, and that Sirius is happy with you marauding with it.
Ah good, more incorrect, naively misguided claims for me to clear up. Thank god...
Yes it is going to go down well, they are delighted to let us use it. But no, Sirius is not happy at all that we're marauding with it, hell what man in his right mind is happy when he gets blown to bits by an unknown ship? I'd be downright scared if I was Sirius;)
Oh you wanted links right? The ones in the OP that I already provided but you didn't read for some reason? Here they are mate:cool:
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=101713&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=101714&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=101193&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=104976&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=106629&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=108339&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=108820&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=109922&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=108082&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=110558&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=112145&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=114872&hl=
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=118934&hl=

All you're doing is stacking up tech that you shouldn't have access to, most of it OORP, in order to have an advantage over others who are using it inRP. By taking it out of the factions ZOI, you're preventing many consequences, but also going OORP and damaging the factions' relations. You just want to go stomp on the Corsairs like everyone else, with everybody else's tech.
You're wrong, as I've tried to show you above. But I doubt that anything I say will change your mind. Would it help for you to know that many of our members HAVE Corsair characters that they fly regularly? That I personally am part of an Official Corsair faction? That we've fought both against you and with you? Hell I fight against my own members at times as my Corsair.

I need to emphasize this: We hold no grudge against the Corsairs, it's all simply inRP for us. Maybe not for you, but it is for us.

You claim we've taken tech OORP, please show me where, as we have forum side RP and/or permission and/or the go ahead from all the groups we've used tech from. We don't use it for an "advantage," simply to represent the RP we worked hard on.

Freelancers should stick to the civilian tech, and perhaps Zoner weaponry, if permission is given. If they are friendly with a particular faction, they may have access to that tech also.
[b]Excellent! Aside from our few Order ships (right now we just have 1 ingame) and our two Corsair ships then we followed this to the "T."

However, taking tech from all manner of opposing and allied factions, and using it to kill the same is just unacceptable in my eyes. We Corsairs stick generally to our or civilian ships and weaponry, with a little allied technology from time to time. You should not be able to avoid such restrictions.
"Avoid such restrictions."
What restrictions are we avoiding exactly? There are none we're dodging with shadowy loopholes or anything of the likes. You talk like we're coming at you with hords of your own ships to mow you down with. you do know right, that none of the Corsair or AFA tech us used to merc? They're pirate ships, "you Corsairs" don't even see them. So your claim that we're coming and using all of this allied/friendly tech is first off an exaggerated statement as to how much we have, and secondly just outright wrong because we don't even hunt you with it.

Next you'll be stealing Kusari Battleships and stomping on Liberty.
Eh... No

' Wrote:but you KEEP trying to flee and engage cruise making it very hard for someone to stop and type a demand while still trying to keep you from getting away with cruise while he's typing.

' Wrote:As far as I know the RR are planning on using generic IDs. If that's so they are subject to the same limitations just like anyone else using generic IDs.

' Wrote:why are you QQing so much
jeesh.
he's within rules. I actually don't mind the fact he uses that stuff. Its not abused they have nerf
PS Order GB high tech? lol. It's easy to kill order GB.

' Wrote:Since I've seen a few posts concerning such on Brigand Gunships, I'll make it clear since I lead the current Official Brigand Faction (+LE+).

They. Earned. Them.

They didn't take them.
They didn't just buy them.
They worked for us for several months onto such, doing in turn everything we asked for.
However if they cause problems with them that in turn cause problems for us, then, and only then, may/will we take them back.

As of right now, I have yet to see them cause us any problems.

So in turn, continue the good work boys.
And yes I know I'm behind on your bounty payments, forgive me.

' Wrote:In fact Apotheosis right. I see that RR just using all good tech to make PvP advantage. Why would Order give terrorists their tech? Why would FA will give their tech, so it could be used against Corsairs? Why so many other so different tech is in hands of one Pirate-Terrorist faction?
Even if all this was gived somehow with RP, with rules and tech-chart, this is just not fair to use best guns on best ships. Ballance ruins here, even if this with RP and Rules

' Wrote:Actually they have done already much mess with their technology usage.

The Rheinlanders didnt meet the Gallians yet, just got shot at by their technology.

' Wrote:It seems that RR have impressive RP skills. You really know how to run a faction.
But this is not so fair anyway, you have many good tech and best ZOI right now with already high activity. you also enemys to Corsairs (I dislike that in first place:D) and GRN. this 2 factions have already more enemys then they need to have and you just made em even more. Also you created another Terrorist faction, making basic factions less populated (you could join any Rheinland pirate faction to keep them alive) and created disballance (Taus, Sigmas, Kusari less populated now)
I feel bad for O7 miners: Corsairs, Hessians, Jokerz, RR, indie pirates:D

' Wrote:*sigh* Seems I'm going to have to spoon feed you the info because you wont take a look yourself...

You will not find any Sammael equipped Nephys nor will you find a Hathor in Rheinland. One single LR GB? Yes, as attained in Role Play here.
So to wrap things up. The tech we gained was all RP'd for, requested from the official factions even in most cases. I would give you more links and copied conversations etc etc to further prove this point, but... if you don't see it already I wont waist my time trying to convince someone who's already set in their ways. Be them right or wrong, in this case wrong in my opinion.
Again, thank you for pointing out what you thought were some flaws or funky cases, I hope I did well in addressing each point by bringing up what is already in the OP.

' Wrote:But the rules don't say "if he keeps trying to engage cruise, you can kill him." They say "6.6 Aggressors are not allowed to destroy a trade vessel prior to issuing a demand and allowing sufficient time to respond. Demands may be cargo, credits or an RP demand, such as leaving the system. "Halt" is not a demand."

The fact remains that I tried to talk to you and you said that it was ok for your members to break the rules, and then insulted me.

' Wrote:Freelancer Pirate ID - ZOI? Pretty much anywhere. PvP Limitation? A demand.

Since they can just take generic bounties on Corsairs and Gallic Royals, I don't see much pewpew limitation.

' Wrote:It seems that RR have impressive RP skills. You really know how to run a faction.
But this is not so fair anyway, you have many good tech and best ZOI right now with already high activity. you also enemys to Corsairs (I dislike that in first place:D) and GRN. this 2 factions have already more enemys then they need to have and you just made em even more. Also you created another Terrorist faction, making basic factions less populated (you could join any Rheinland pirate faction to keep them alive) and created disballance (Taus, Sigmas, Kusari less populated now)
I feel bad for O7 miners: Corsairs, Hessians, Jokerz, RR, indie pirates:D

' Wrote:I think it's unfair that Corsairs have many more players than Cryer. Is that a valid reason to go into Corsair faction feedback and complain, asking players to abandon the roles they chose for the sake of balance? I don't think so.

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If player factions representing NPC factions are unable to attract more players I can't blame other players for choosing a different role to play, as long as it's not a furry of course.