(05-11-2015, 06:04 PM)Zed26 Wrote: The problem with people avoiding this coveted "corporate piracy" is that they want it both ways - harassing, robbing, and shooting their competitors without the possible RP consequence of that corporation's house wanting to protect their interests, just flying past that same faction's bases in their house space as if nothing happened.

If you're deathly afraid you'll maybe get a little red stain on your crisp green repsheet from shooting someone with connections, perhaps it's more a matter of hardening up and facing potential in-game consequences than seeking admin intervention to implement a broad restriction on RP distress calls and a response by law enforcement when that makes perfect sense as well. Not all house law enforcement chooses to pursue it, which is nice and can make for some underhanded fun when all parties consent, but when they don't consent, what were you expecting from robbing and killing people? It's a diplomatic risk that you've got to account for as a smart corporation with an image to maintain and relationships to foster in your cost-benefit analysis. Players criticize factions that are friendly/neutral to a majority of Sirius all the time despite their actions, so why are they trying to get the same treatment?

Get creative if it's too much for your delicate repsheet to handle: attack them by proxies and stir up more factions' activity, make keeping their mouth shut part of the demand, give kickbacks to corrupt cops, make your services to that house more vital than their own corps' in some way. There are countless possibilities. Also, if people were friendlier with each other OORP, they could come to better general agreements to piracy (without being too pitched and artificial) without anyone crying, but there are far too many egos invested in pixels.

(05-11-2015, 06:31 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: You are automatically assuming that a corporation WOULD report all of this corporate warfare to the authorities instead of taking matters into their own hands first. Maybe with pirates, sure, but when you're doing clandestine, underhanded dealing in the corporate world, you don't go crying to the cops when something goes wrong. Real investigations into the matter would more than likely reveal your own dirty laundry than your rivals.

Quote:I should be ALLOWED to do my dirty work in an area that's not really protected by the law.

Quote:As for OORP relations, I'm ironically on 'friendlier" terms with Bowex players than I am with my allies in IMG, so think that one through

Quote:... so they request rules for protection rather than letting things play out via roleplay and accepting the consequences as other players decide. Some corps have a lot to hide so they quietly counterattack. Some lack security, but greased the right palms and are pals with the authorities, so some base administrators have been notified to refuse access to the competitors. Maybe one house's stance is to let free trade (and piracy) reign and another's is to guard what few resources they have by favoring their own corporations. Personally? I'd work it out and try to see what kind of fun events/encounters we could cook up, but it's ultimately up to the players involved to decide how they want to lead, maintain their image and cultivate relationships, not assume they'd automatically pass or fail. I'm for things happening naturally, rather than railroading an interaction by making one of many equally believable decisions result in sanctions.

Quote: Take it easy. I wasn't calling you out specifically, ...

(05-10-2015, 02:47 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:

(05-10-2015, 02:19 PM)Char Aznable Wrote: I approve of this change as it for example provides the Bunters with a viable reason for existence, although I'm still of the opinion that some exceptions are to be made (Tau-29 (at least around Nago), Omega-3 (at least between the Gate and Sprague), Omega-7 etc. Those systems, where a notable presence of Military and police makes sense.

A viable reason for Bunters to exist would be their involvement in corporate piracy, (...)

(05-11-2015, 01:36 PM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: Portraying yourself as the victim here is pretty funny

(05-11-2015, 06:04 PM)Zed26 Wrote: The problem with people avoiding this coveted "corporate piracy" is that they want it both ways - harassing, robbing, and shooting their competitors without the possible RP consequence of that corporation's house wanting to protect their interests, just flying past that same faction's bases in their house space as if nothing happened.

If you're deathly afraid you'll maybe get a little red stain on your crisp green repsheet from shooting someone with connections, perhaps it's more a matter of hardening up and facing potential in-game consequences than seeking admin intervention to implement a broad restriction on RP distress calls and a response by law enforcement when that makes perfect sense as well. Not all house law enforcement chooses to pursue it, which is nice and can make for some underhanded fun when all parties consent, but when they don't consent, what were you expecting from robbing and killing people? It's a diplomatic risk that you've got to account for as a smart corporation with an image to maintain and relationships to foster in your cost-benefit analysis. Players criticize factions that are friendly/neutral to a majority of Sirius all the time despite their actions, so why are they trying to get the same treatment?

(05-11-2015, 06:04 PM)Zed26 Wrote: Get creative if it's too much for your delicate repsheet to handle: attack them by proxies and stir up more factions' activity, make keeping their mouth shut part of the demand, give kickbacks to corrupt cops, make your services to that house more vital than their own corps' in some way. There are countless possibilities. Also, if people were friendlier with each other OORP, they could come to better general agreements to piracy (without being too pitched and artificial) without anyone crying, but there are far too many egos invested in pixels.

(05-11-2015, 10:12 PM)Highland Laddie Wrote: I just think all of that could/should happen without the axe of an FR5 also hanging over a faction's head, or at least certainly as a very very very very very very very last resort.....as in..."you're literally almost as bad as Bass Hunters in your in-game choices and should probably be kicked from the server, but we'll do this first" kinda thing. These things could all be done in-game via the player-player interactions, and not simply by making planets and stations non-dockable to a ship or group. As I also said, this new /nodock command may help make the FR5 not even needed in a lot of these cases, and PoBs can already prevent players/groups from docking with their lists.