' Wrote:Ventana, I think that is unfair. (Considering I did run HX on Teks and had to put up with people coming into Beta and stuff like that.)

Not to mention, on a more public note, I am in official and unofficial factions. (People tend to forget this.)

' Wrote:I trust probably 80% of the people here enough not to worry about them--even when they vent sometimes.

It's the other 20%--15% of whom are fine most of the time on their own but who get easily stirred up and rally behind that last 5% who quite simply feel they own the place. There is room for everyone here--not only one. We should ALL strive to keep it that way.

Antifaction...err...didn't I start a faction?

' Wrote:I think I will demonstrate the process by which I, as a faction leader, would be putting #5 into practice.

' Wrote:Take it a step further...

"You can't post that rp on the forum because it involves our faction/system and affects our role play. Since we are "official" and you aren't, we will role play it our way or else have the admin strip your ship and cash if you play otherwise...capish?"

' Wrote:Come on guys, don't take it all so literally. I wasn't picking on you two, but actually praising the fact that you keep faction lovers in line. And nooblet, come on man - you are one of the absolute biggest indie rights supporters around here, and also one of the first to jump on factions when they do something even mildly stupid. I know you're in factions.

Please don't miss the point of my post, I was simply trying to make a point with that paragraph - not make fun of you.

' Wrote:Xoria, if you told me there was a problem with badly played Spyglasses running rampant in Vespucci, Cortez and Magellan, I’d take your word for it. Other people tell you there are problems elsewhere. Can you not take their word for it? You also see the same sanction reports other Admins do.

Your critique of the battleship licencing idea is predicated on 2 assumptions:

1) Official Factions will fail to objectively evaluate the licence application.

2) If the Official Factions do fail to objectively evaluate the licence application, the harried Admins will be too busy, and disinterested to intervene.

Those assumptions are pessimistic.

I for one am optimistic that the opinions of faction leaders about the ability of a player to RP well, and understand the rules, will be sound. This is not rocket science. A good application for a battleship licence would demonstrate a good understanding of the faction diplomacy and RP, an interesting backstory for the vessel, and a good understanding of the server rules.

Quote:Everyone knows what a poor application would look like. “I want to get a battleship because I want to pwn piratz.” It will be objectively and demonstrably poor.

Quote:You speak of Admins having to wade through evidence of unfairness, which likely won't be available anyway, because it will all be buried in secret Skype chats, etc. That is wrong. The only "evidence" needing review will be a perfectly good application which got denied anyway, for no good reason. That's it.

Quote:We have application processes for all sorts of things here.

-Want to join an official faction? You have to apply.
-Want to start an official faction? You have to apply.
-Want to buy a system? You have to apply.
-Want a terrorist ID? You have to apply.

So now, you want to fly a battleship? You have to apply. That's all there is to the proposal, in a nutshell.

Quote:I have said in the Admin forums and still believe that Right Number 5 should be subjected to a community vote, and only implemented if it got very strong backing. In my opinion, 60% in favour wouldn't be enough. Nor likely 70%. Would have to be very strong indeed.

' Wrote:Finally, I'll restate my point about statistics. Your 70% is not even the community's 70%, Dieter. I do not mean to be offensive, but by last two posts in this thread, which were obviously not really read or regarded by most of the community pretty much highlighted just that. Your 70% came from a skewed convenience survey that has extreme bias due to the fact that a large number of those who feel strongly about the issue submitted an answer.

If you want to conduct a survey to get results, conduct one correctly and then base your decisions off it. Otherwise, just make the decisions regardless. You are administrators.

' Wrote:If this is true, either we are 1: going to see a lot less indies, 2: they are all going to have sub-par loadouts, or 3: top level equipment is going to need to be moved outside of guard systems.

At present, the only places to get a Supernova, MR, UAU mk 8, Enhanced thruster, and, in some cases, even class 9 guns, are in guard systems. If entry to guard systems is restricted to everyone not in the official, owning faction (as the ruling seems to imply), unofficial factions, official factions not wanting a guard system and independants have no chance to even set up a fighter properly...