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+------ Thread: Rorry's Renegades |RR (/showthread.php?tid=76537)
Rorry's Renegades |RR - dodike - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:The specifics are irrelevant, and besides the point. The point is that RR are abusing the tech system and IDs in order to use the top tech over their enemies.This approach has been tried before and the past has shown that gentlemen agreements are made to be broken.
If RR steps down with this, anyone using the same generic ID can do what you are currently complaining about.
Are you willing to talk to every single pirate using Brigands gunboat outside of Gallia? Or is it unbalanced only when in hands of the RR?
Only if the RR applies for their own ID this will become an issue.
And the concerns your raised will be resolved by admins/devs, not Veygaar.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - JayDee Kasane - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:Alright lets cool things down a bit shall we?
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@JayDee: Sorry if I sounded harsh. You're opinion does matter, just as everyone elses here. We take it all into consideration.
no problems. I know how it is when someone spells not good things about your faction (believe me, I know). just re-look some of your ways to RP. huge ZOI and many tech is not that good faction must to have. Corsairs for example using only their tech as true patriots. they are much more in number and they have abit smaller ZOI then you do.
Anyway, I wish you good luck with your official status. RR are good faction when it comes to RP. But my Corsair will kill your Rorrys anyway :D
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Laerethe - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:We're not frivolous with it. You just can't seem to see that. You keep expounding upon situations that don't even exist. Sair/AFA tech being used against sairs, Order tech in Rheinland etc etc. None of which is happening...
And god forbid we have a Gunboat that has no nerf just like normal factions right?!
And I hope you understand that we don't get no nerf to all that tech if we go official. I hope you know how it all works and aren't just creating these delusions of grandeur in your head from which to be freighted of.
We are, in no way, overpowered. We are, in no way, trying to become overpowered.
Situations that don't exist? So you've got all this tech but you aren't using it?
I mean, your main ZOI is Rheinland. If you're going to put in place other limitations on your tech, please detail them on the OP before you get another person calling you out on it.
Yes, god forbid you have MANY gunboats without a nerf. If you became a large canon faction like SCRA, maybe you'd get your own. However, you shouldn't have access to Order, Rogue, Brigand and so on, all simultaneously. Stick to the regular pirate ship, the Ahoudori. No nerf for you, right?
A nerf of some description must happen should you get your own ID.
You're not overpowered, and you're not trying to be? Yet you seem to be building a store of the strongest tech, no matter how out of ZOI it may be.
' Wrote:This approach has been tried before and the past has shown that gentlemen agreements are made to be broken.
If RR steps down with this, anyone using the same generic ID can do what you are currently complaining about.
Are you willing to talk to every single pirate using Brigands gunboat outside of Gallia? Or is it unbalanced only if in hands of the RR?
Only if the RR applies for their own ID this will become an issue.
And the concerns your raised will be resolved by admins/devs, not Veygaar.
You'll always find a few doing as they like, but when it becomes concerted and grouped, that's when it becomes unacceptable.
They've already spoken about getting their own ID. So it is an issue.
Veygaar can solve this by stepping up to the responsibility of balancing his members.
Better we give him the opportunity to, rather than go straight to the Admins/Devs and take their valuable time.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Veygaar - 03-21-2012
*sighs* Like I said, you are set in your ways. No point in trying to argue with someone who wont change his mind no matter the response.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Reverend Del - 03-21-2012
Actually you're thinking wrong, Apoth. If anything other than civilian guns are placed upon any faction tech they're not operating with a 25% cut in power, they're operating with a 43% cut in power. That's huge and just about useless.
ID wise, well there will be nerfs if they get their own ID, but as Zelot stated earlier, it'll be a while.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Laerethe - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:*sighs* Like I said, you are set in your ways. No point in trying to argue with someone who wont change his mind no matter the response.
And then the hypocrisy arrives. Why don't you apply the logic to yourself, and perhaps even consider the issue?
Its an issue that must be addressed, and you refuse to step up to do so.
' Wrote:Actually you're thinking wrong, Apoth. If anything other than civilian guns are placed upon any faction tech they're not operating with a 25% cut in power, they're operating with a 43% cut in power. That's huge and just about useless.
ID wise, well there will be nerfs if they get their own ID, but as Zelot stated earlier, it'll be a while.
It depends what it is applied to. Nevertheless, matching faction tech with their ships and the FL ID will result in a lower nerf, right?
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Veygaar - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:And then the hypocrisy arrives. Why don't you apply the logic to yourself, and perhaps even consider the issue?I addressed it, you wont acknowledge it. Do you want me to just start re-quoting myself mate?
Its an issue that must be addressed, and you refuse to step up to do so.
It depends what it is applied to. Nevertheless, matching faction tech with their ships and the FL ID will result in a lower nerf, right?
And matching faction tech with faction ship on a FL ID will create a GREATER nerf.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Laerethe - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:I addressed it, you wont acknowledge it. Do you want me to just start re-quoting myself mate?
And matching faction tech with faction ship on a FL ID will create a GREATER nerf.
Then there is no reason to take LR ships with the logical Sammaels over another ship with Sammaels, aside from potential nuances.
I'm acknowledging what you're saying, but the issue exists and must be raised.
Remember that the problem is most apparent in groups, as with Novas - a small nerf on several people will make little difference in the end.
For it to be balanced, the nerf would have to match other ships weaponry/tech, which it often doesn't.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Veygaar - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:Then there is no reason to take LR ships with the logical Sammaels over another ship with Sammaels, aside from potential nuances.Please speak with a dev in the respective thread then.
I'm acknowledging what you're saying, but the issue exists and must be raised.
Remember that the problem is most apparent in groups, as with Novas - a small nerf on several people will make little difference in the end.
For it to be balanced, the nerf would have to match other ships weaponry/tech, which it often doesn't.
Rorry's Renegades |RR - Laerethe - 03-21-2012
' Wrote:Please speak with a dev in the respective thread then.
Why must it be taken to the devs when it can be solved by your own initiative?