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The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - swift - 02-12-2010
First things first, sorry for your loss, man. I won't get all talkative or anything, I don't know how you feel about it, and I won't go at length about this, but I am sorry, and I wanna apologize in the name of my colleagues, as I'm sure they'd do the same if they saw your message here.
I am sure there was no ill intent, it was just an ill-chosen phrase, I guess.
Secondly, and on a brighter note, thank you for your kind words and your demure attitude. It means a lot to everyone to get a bit of praise, and we're no exception to that.
See you out there, mate!
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Exsiled_one - 02-14-2010
Concerning the latest KNF / KSP - CR situation, I must say that I don't understand few things from your conversations:
Is the CR leader that conversed with Emperor just extremely conservative person, or was that grasping for straws?
Don't get me wrong, I'm just courious because I would like to know what to expect from the CR leader next time. Since they are highly suspicious about Kusari, comparing them to Japanese people, does that mean they will never cooperate with Rheinland, ignore Bretonia completely and work hard to gain trust with Liberty? (Germany - nazi dictatorship, bretonia - simply weak, Liberty - USA! USA! USA!)
Talking with an Kusari emperor, mentioning Pearl Harbor would mean you expect an "obvious" sneak attack and war with Kusari and CR.
If this is not a case, then I do not understand why would an leader of such faction actually mention things from such distant past, dishonoring himself and the entire clan towards the Emperor with mentioning such things.
I would also like to point out that Kusari codex actually forbids any personal police or military groups to be present in Kusari that aren't KNF / KSP or Kempetai.
Actually assembling a squad of foreign army vessels that disobeys Kusari representatives means forming a private military force and disobeying the Kusari as a house.
If Kusari actually decided to allow CR to operate in Kusari, that would make them look weak in front of the local patriots, Farmer's alliance and Hogosha as well as Samura. It would be a sad day if that happens.
Ame Chan: Ame Chan is a silly individual who set a frikkin spaceport on fire few days ago, and destroyed an Kishiro| trader as well.
As a Kishiro| leader I was presented with an interesting challenge. Kusari is based on caste system.
If I complained about Ame Chan briefly it would be ignored and Ame Chan would only gain more freedom to blast more things in the future.
However, as a Kishiro leader and council member, I could have pushed this situation until I become such nuisance that they all decide to do something to calm me down.
But from then, I would appear boring and my opinion would not matter so much anymore.
Why am I telling you guys this?
Well mostly because when you enter someone's home, you tend to behave the way he likes - since you are a guest. I must wonder is there any deeper issue here that we're not seeing from the Communications chanel, because based on those facts gathered from there, it seems you have some grudge that started far before ame chan's incident.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - swift - 02-14-2010
Well, Panzer's the one who should answer all this, mainly, but I'll give it a go myself.
First of all, you have to know that people in the Colonial Republic, in-RP, come from a variety of nations and national heritages. Panzer's president is Greek, for example.
Furthermore, no, it's not that the Colonial people hold grudges that far into the past, except perhaps Panzer's character, I don't know anything precise about that. I'd reckon it was more of a 'looking-for-an-appropriate-insult' to achieve that cold tone which is appropriate in this particular occasion.
As a Colonial, in-RP, I'd tell you that the Emperor was wrong on this occasion, especially because the offending Kusari vessel provoked violence and because the Colonial ships were requested to assist with hostile forces.
I'd also say he was wrong because he acted a bit boastfully and treated an ally like an insignificant little group he can push around and dominate easily. It is not very wise to have a servile attitude in foreign diplomacy, so Angelos didn't really have much choice but to receive the Emperor's criticisms with a humble apology, because that would signify the Colonial Republic as a protectorate and an underling, and not a full-fledged ally, which, when you think about the strong nationalistic tendencies of the Colonial people, as well as their continuous strife in the firm establishment of their own nation whose authority is not disputed.
As an impartial 'guy who plays Freelancer Discovery', I'd tell you that the Colonials should've not went into Kusari at all because they should've thought it all through a bit more and realized what would probably happen, and that they were a bit naive in their actions.
All in all, the smart choice is the apologetic and peaceful one, and the realistic in-RP one is the one which happened.
And no, there's no grudge, at least not OORPly. We lurve teh Zelot.
I hope I cleared it up enough, if there's anything else, feel free to shoot.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Panzer - 02-14-2010
I blame Zelot
1.Guest-fine, just that it was neither the first nor most serious insult I've been dealt.
2.I compared KNF to Imperial Japan for a reason. They way they work now in my opinion DOES resemble WW2 Japanese militarism and post-WW2 isolationism and unhealthy national pride bordering racism. As an European I was finding that kinda RP difficult to stomache. Call it a cultural thing...
3. Apart from the RP reasons, been looking for a way to get the heck outta this joke-of-a-war I was asked to join for oorp reasons anyway. Ame/Zelot just gave me a great reason to do it with a clean conscience.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Exsiled_one - 02-14-2010
So basically this is another "zelot is a **** we hate him so arrarr" reasons?
Swift, thanks for your answer, you really did make an effort but sadly Panzer kinda ruined it now.
I don't know why can't you stomach different cultures, as an european myself I can understand different cultures. Like Germans, French or people that manage to stay sane although 85% of the days in year is raning - England.
Same way like that I can understand Japan people, and with some extension Kusari people. I don't think you'll get an warning to defend yourself from attack before fight starts but in Kusari.
How come you were dragged in it all by oorp? Can you explain more about that?
Because if you were looking a way out of something you entered, and grabbed the first "weak" chance you got, that doesn't give much credit to your official faction.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - casero - 02-14-2010
Well, you didn't help that much in that war, at least no more times that the times I went to Tau 23 to assist you guys, but, it's fine, if you want to break the alliance, it's your choise.
What I should remind you is, that you are forgetting someone else here, someone who you have not talked to, Lotek. Before making any choise, you should discuss things with him. Not for RP, but OORPly, he deserves it.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - swift - 02-14-2010
Yep, he does. Lotek is a good fella and it probably should've been talked over with him. The Emperor, however, left us little choice, really. In any case, I'm not really skypeable at the moment due to pressing 'Life', and there's also the fact that I'm not in any sort of position of power in the CR, both of my own choosing and 'influences', so I can't really talk to anyone about anything. I've dedicated myself to real life and 'playing the actual game'.
But, seeing how Zelzie says the Council of Rising Suns decided on this, LoTek must know about it too.
And Ivan, I can't really answer your whole last question because there's a few matters of secrecy there, but what it boils down to, at least for me, don't know about 'el presidente', is that I used to wrongly think that player actions can have real longterm effects in this game/mod, but they really can't. The Kusari thing, along with a plethora of other negotiations and 'things', was done while I was the 'Colonial freak' and when we were all working away in-Rp for RP motivations and when I actually believed in all this. I mean, I still do do stuff for RP, I like it, but it's now oh so casual, I don't really have any hopes or a purpose, which is kind of what the ultimate goal in any game is - having something to build towards. Along with my realization of how things are (Mostly, at least), I lost that as well. I don't really blame anyone for it, but it's the way things have come to work around here, most sadly.
But, mind you, this is no weak reason. I believe I have already explained in detail the RP reasoning behind all this. I don't know if Panzer made the decision based on OORP, RP, or both, reasons, but I know I probably would've done the same, or at least taken a firm attitude, solely because of RP reasons.
In a nutshell, the disadvantages of allying against Bretonia with Kusari tend to outweigh the benefits right now.
It's all a big circus, Disco diplomacy, anyways, that's what I've come to realize, personally.
Got a bit off topic there.
As a final statement, because I know you will:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi6YI1Gd4iU
Edit: And I still don't know why you think we have anything against Zelot. It's just that we deal with him solely in-RP, mostly because I don't know him outside the game, and, that is, we do not deal with Zelot, but the Emperor, which is the one thing that should matter anyways. I wish it was so with everyone.
If it were up to me, there'd be no OORP diplomacy, because that kind of diplomacy is the one that makes the real choices and is later merely justified by RP in this place. There should be just in-Rp diplomacy, with no behind-the-curtain dealings which are, effectively, cheating.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Exsiled_one - 02-14-2010
thanks for the answer swift and for clearing that up.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Zelot - 02-14-2010
' Wrote:Edit: And I still don't know why you think we have anything against Zelot. It's just that we deal with him solely in-RP, mostly because I don't know him outside the game, and, that is, we do not deal with Zelot, but the Emperor, which is the one thing that should matter anyways. I wish it was so with everyone.
If it were up to me, there'd be no OORP diplomacy, because that kind of diplomacy is the one that makes the real choices and is later merely justified by RP in this place. There should be just in-Rp diplomacy, with no behind-the-curtain dealings which are, effectively, cheating.
The reason people think that this is a personal problem with me is that in a conversation with Pipboy yesterday when the CR were invading Kusari, Pnazer basicly said that. Said everything was my fault and he was upset with me. That is why some people on our side think it's personal.
As to everything else, I dont mind lying in RP, but guys please stop with the lying oorp, there was NO distress call, and the only communication that the KNF and CR had before that point was that they DID NOT need the help of the CR. Quite clear from Kaze's report.
' Wrote:So, here i was right in New Tokyo and open my system wide comms to contact the said Destroyer piloted by one Ame-Chan, for what it seems was surrounded by enemy vessels, and asked if she needed an assist.
She answered a resounding no, and has such, i left her to her will. Not late afterwards i see a Chrysanthemum, one that i destroyed not once, but thrice in Tau 23, being questioned by one of your Kempeitai officers.
I merely waltzed in and said hi to both parts as the battle raged on. I merely kept my eyes to the sensors to see if named enemies were attacking the KNF Destroyer.
As my unit arrived, with Squadron Commander Skalski in the lead in response to my alert of Outcasts units in Kusari,
So please, no problems with lying in rp, but dont lie oorp. Kusari didnt call for help, the CR just wanted a fight.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Dieter Schprokets - 02-14-2010
CR and KNF are no longer allies and Lotek has not been involved?
Y'know, the OFFICIAL FACTION LEADER?
I have a serious problem with this.
You wait for his input. Got it?