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Split from Admin Notice. - bluntpencil2001 - 10-02-2008
' Wrote:well.. i would think so.. the outcasts worship the nomads right? so i think its within RP for the 101st to shoot him
just my 2 cents
The point I was getting that is that the Outcasts only worship the Nomads because the players say so. If that is okay, then it should be okay for players to say that the Order and Navy can join forces under certain circumstances.
Or... I think this may be it....
The Outcasts can worship Nomads, but some Outcasts might shoot Nomads for being aliens. Those Outcasts might not get on, and may even fight each other.
Certain parts of the Order may deal civilly with the Navy, but others may take violent exception to that.
Is that it?
' Wrote:I didn't understand it either when I saw it. I think its more of a fact that we cannot threaten them with idk..sanctions for ooRP behavior or whatnot. Then again, not sure, until its more clear I'll just keep on doing as I always did.
Makes sense to me!
Split from Admin Notice. - chopper - 10-02-2008
Does this mean that LN cannot chase out a Liberty Navy indie out of Zone-21?
He has a LN ID - he is a member of the Liberty navy. He does what navy does.
So, can they stop him from doing it?
Can an LSF officer stop a LPI indie from stopping a Cardi smuggler under an excuse that that Cardamine smuggler is an informant?
Can they shoot him if he doesn't obey? Basically, LPI is not under LN chain of command.
So, if he's doing his job, can he get shot for an in-RP deal that one faction made?
Split from Admin Notice. - ScornStar - 10-02-2008
' Wrote:Think of the implications of such a treaty.
The Order have three main enemies - Nomads, Liberty, and the BHG.
People are whining that the BHG really have no purpose to fight the Order (despite the infocard that says that they are doing so to gain access to the deep Edge worlds and Nomad tech), and if that passes as well as a Liberty treaty (which they're hostile with due to the fact that they believe the LSF/LN experiment with Nomads), then they'd have one enemy - the Nomads, which have a very small player faction.
Now, did you see what happened to the Mollies after they signed the treaty with Bretonia? They practically died off. There are very few well-RP'd Zoners.
Conflict moves this game. Without any enemies, a faction will die. The Order would die.
I have only read to this point but I agree with this whole heartedly. No one could have said it better for me but, me.
/Signed.
I dont think factions should be stunted as Giesha Miako suggest but if you make piece with everyone then you write yourself out of the game.
Peace and harmony are bad for a game where the main item we get to enjoy are war machines and guns.
Imagin Mech Warrior RPG with little to no war. Unacceptable.
Split from Admin Notice. - Dra1003 - 10-02-2008
' Wrote:The point I was getting that is that the Outcasts only worship the Nomads because the players say so. If that is okay, then it should be okay for players to say that the Order and Navy can join forces under certain circumstances.
Or... I think this may be it....
The Outcasts can worship Nomads, but some Outcasts might shoot Nomads for being aliens. Those Outcasts might not get on, and may even fight each other.
Certain parts of the Order may deal civilly with the Navy, but others may take violent exception to that.
Is that it?
Makes sense to me!
Yea thats reasonable to me as far as my outcast she doesn't like or hate the nomads so she couldn't care ether way. and for my order character he doesn't want to fight liberty being a former LPI officer but hey id say rp the way you want within reason..
Split from Admin Notice. - Titan - 10-02-2008
LN can chase out Navy indies out of zone 21 just as Gaf can chase out LN from zone 21, unless a higher rank who has clearance allows you to enter, you cannot go in. That applies to both faction and indies here. Anyway, I know that wasn't your point. From what I gathered the RP things you do still apply, just don't threaten in RP for ooRP knowledge or use ooRP threats for someone's RP. If they break established and respected RP, you punish those who did it, like it always was. Nothing really changed:P
Split from Admin Notice. - bluntpencil2001 - 10-02-2008
' Wrote:I have only read to this point but I agree with this whole heartedly. No one could have said it better for me but, me.The TAZ get on fine withuot much conflict. Sure, I wouldn't fly as one, I find that peaceful factions aren't terribly exciting for me, but plenty others seem to be enjoying it plenty.
/Signed.
I dont think factions should be stunted as Giesha Miako suggest but if you make piece with everyone then you write yourself out of the game.
Peace and harmony are bad for a game where the main item we get to enjoy are war machines and guns.
Imagin Mech Warrior RPG with little to no war. Unacceptable.
Split from Admin Notice. - Malaclypse 666 - 10-02-2008
' Wrote:...until its more clear I'll just keep on doing as I always did.
This may very well be the best advice of the day.
RP, anyone?
The other option would indeed be a concise and definitive statement from "on high" regarding the specific incident in question. Is that the problem? Perhaps. Do we need a replay of the incident to regain focus, or merely clarification on Admin's decision?
Whicheverwhatway your Pineal leads you, it will help reduce global warming from all this bloody hot air.
23's
Split from Admin Notice. - ScornStar - 10-02-2008
' Wrote:The TAZ get on fine withuot much conflict. Sure, I wouldn't fly as one, I find that peaceful factions aren't terribly exciting for me, but plenty others seem to be enjoying it plenty.
Bah...hippies.
Split from Admin Notice. - Orin - 10-02-2008
All we need is simple question answered by the admins:
Are faction and leading RP roled indies allowed to execute any RP ruling over others?
In RP, they absolutely should be able.
Split from Admin Notice. - Knucklehead - 10-02-2008
*Watches helplessly as the thread spins out of control*
Let me see if I can boil down the bulk of the last 5 pages (I have my display set to 40 messages per page) to a generic, no names given description.
Here's my understanding of the situation.
Someone came up with a special RP. Others latched on to it and expanded on it. Still others didn't know about the expansion and got upset when something didn't go quite the way they thought it should. The problem was compounded by someone saying something about it, the details of which aren't generally known due to the private channel being used.
Complaints were made to the Admins, who discussed the matter amongst themselves before issuing a statement. Some people thought the statement too broad while others thought the admins didn't know enough about the situation before making the announcement. Still others completely agree with the admins.
A lot of explanation about the situation occurs in the first 40-50 messages, with a lot of repetition and little understanding. The next few pages continue to expand on the implications of the announcement, some with calm words, others with not so calm words. Finally, a couple people start to question the suitability of the admins, and people start to defend them.
Now, here's my opinion on the whole situation.
First and foremost, this is a place set up for us to have fun in a certain way, which is to step outside ourselves for a while and become the owners and pilots of these ships. Like our own reality, this Discovery reality has rules in place to keep everything safe and give everyone the privileges they earn and the rights they deserve. These rules are both global (established by the administrative team and the mod itself) and localized (established by the factions that have influence there). All are based on common sense and experience.
Now, this statement that has been issued is an example of what should be common sense being codified because experience has shown that it has not been followed. In other words, it should be obvious that we can't force a role onto someone who wants to pursue another role, but there are some who do that very thing, even if they don't realize they are doing it.
While the wording can be considered a little too broad, it's the principle of the statement that matters. Namely, that we should not use our words or our big guns to force someone to act a certain way, especially when they go against the spirit of what is written into the mod.
Now, minor deviations such as a truce between factions should be allowed, and in fact, are allowed as I see it. Factions should have a right to reasonably question the motivation of someone who acts outside their established rules. But they cannot deny a reasonable role to one who chooses to go against their roles. In this case, a reasonable role is one that does not violate server rules or is an accepted special role listed in the designated forum.
This is my view on the situation. I am entitled to it and you are entitled to yours. I ask that you respect mine as I have respected yours. (Even if I have been tempted to do otherwise in certain cases)