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RE: Future of Kusari - Stolt. - 07-21-2013
(07-20-2013, 11:44 PM)kikatsu Wrote: The main problem with the Exiles is that their forces are only "5 battleships, 10 Destroyers and 25 Gunboats and a handful of fighter and bomber wings" so they will not have the power to outright fight Kusari, even though the modern KNF has been crippled in the Gallic war, they still probably have ten times the amount of ships that the Exiles have, and still, Rheinland has been manufacturing KNF capital ships for them in an attempt to rearm Kusari.
Well actually once they attack Kyushu, since they are no longer in Bretonia or French/OC/IMG infested Taus, the Exiles could start constructing shipyards there to begin constructing new battleships and cruisers. Sure, their military still won't be able to properly stand up to the KNF, but it's a start.
You could also take into consideration that the Exiles will probably secure some form of covert support from the Bretonians, or even the Libertonians for that matter. In my opinion, it seems Kusari is under the Gallic sphere of influence. Even if relations are "neutral", the two countries are trading and since Gallia is the country that is self - sufficient (and doesn't use h-fuel from the GMG), Kusari is the one that is dependent on Gallia. Hence, Liberty and Bretonia could secure covert support by constructing new battleships and what not for the Exiles in their territories in secret. If the Exiles remove the Kusari government, then Bretonia and Liberty gain a new ally in their war against Gallia. It's a long term plan, but its possible. So the Exiles might end up having more capital ships after all. I can totally see the Kusari Civil War being a conventional one rather than the Exiles being an insurgent force like the Blood Dragons due to their lack of military hardware when compared to the KNF.
Tel Aviv, I don't think Rheinland will be able to support Kusari in their civil war because Rheinland is already slowly losing the war against Liberty inRP. I doubt they would want to divert more forces against the Exiles and deploy Rheinland troops to Kusari. I do however, think that it may be possible for Gallia to intervene on Kusari's behalf, supporting the KNF against the Exiles since the Exiles are allied to the Bretonians.
RE: Future of Kusari - Fluffyball - 07-21-2013
Woah, look's like I've began a huge brainstorm.
RE: Future of Kusari - belarusich - 07-21-2013
Future of Kusari is...
"Raid Colorado every day" ©
Also I want scenario like this:
Exiles remove Kusari democratic goverment, open war to Gallia with help of Liberty and Bretonia
Rheinland estabilishes peace with Liberty, war is over
Rheinland supports Kusari with its war
Gallia fights with 4 houses, profit
RE: Future of Kusari - Remilia Scarlet - 07-21-2013
Quote:Future of Kusari
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Honestly, so many mistakes were made about Kusari in last years so I just can't imagine what can fix anything.
RE: Future of Kusari - Remilia Scarlet - 07-22-2013
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=100253
Also if anything you can check this thread out. There were some interesting ideas in.
RE: Future of Kusari - Gentlefood - 07-22-2013
(07-21-2013, 06:03 AM)Stolt. Wrote: Well actually once they attack Kyushu, since they are no longer in Bretonia or French/OC/IMG infested Taus, the Exiles could start constructing shipyards there to begin constructing new battleships and cruisers. Sure, their military still won't be able to properly stand up to the KNF, but it's a start.
I don't think you properly appreciate the amount of time, manpower, and resources involved in making a shipyard that is capable of producing military grade ships let alone capital craft. Additionally, do you really think Gallia would /let/ them just set up shop in Kusari space?
(07-21-2013, 06:03 AM)Stolt. Wrote: You could also take into consideration that the Exiles will probably secure some form of covert support from the Bretonians, or even the Libertonians for that matter. In my opinion, it seems Kusari is under the Gallic sphere of influence. Even if relations are "neutral", the two countries are trading and since Gallia is the country that is self - sufficient (and doesn't use h-fuel from the GMG), Kusari is the one that is dependent on Gallia. Hence, Liberty and Bretonia could secure covert support by constructing new battleships and what not for the Exiles in their territories in secret. If the Exiles remove the Kusari government, then Bretonia and Liberty gain a new ally in their war against Gallia. It's a long term plan, but its possible. So the Exiles might end up having more capital ships after all. I can totally see the Kusari Civil War being a conventional one rather than the Exiles being an insurgent force like the Blood Dragons due to their lack of military hardware when compared to the KNF.
I don't really see Bretonia manufacturing anything that isn't for their own, very frantic, defense. Let alone even being able to make something like a Capital ship. Liberty might build a few things for them, but I still see that as unlikely. Liberty likes to just be the strong arm of the spess law, keeping other factions weaker helps them. Kusari really isn't dependent on Gallia, it just can't fight Gallia.
(07-21-2013, 06:03 AM)Stolt. Wrote: Tel Aviv, I don't think Rheinland will be able to support Kusari in their civil war because Rheinland is already slowly losing the war against Liberty inRP. I doubt they would want to divert more forces against the Exiles and deploy Rheinland troops to Kusari. I do however, think that it may be possible for Gallia to intervene on Kusari's behalf, supporting the KNF against the Exiles since the Exiles are allied to the Bretonians.
The war against Liberty isn't. Meaning that besides all the show in the server neither side really is trying to wipe out or invade the other. Liberty wants some of Rheinland's nomnom research and Rheinland wants to prevent Liberty with playing with aliens that nearly destroyed Sirius. Right now that conflict has reached a head with Munster out in Bremen where inRP most of the fighting would be taking place.
Rheinland doesn't need to divert forces to Kusari anyways, since inRP they're just building ships for Kusari. However Rheinland has a lot of interest in seeing the newer Kusari government successful due to economic concerns. And I can assure you, Gallia isn't stupid. They're not going to let a minor annoyance become a serious problem, they'll just stamp out the Exiles should they try anything stupid like building a shipyard in open space or take over Kyushu.
RE: Future of Kusari - SummerMcLovin - 07-23-2013
As has been said, the Exiles ID will now include Kyushu in their ZoI and I believe their battleships will move to Roussillon and Tau-29.
They'll have open Farmers Alliance support, discreet Samura support, and the Hogosha could and probably will play both sides for the most power and profit out to the end of it.
The Council could very well get involved as their new hosts (which would be a nice new thing for them to do). Wildcards in the fight might be the Brigands (who also have Kyushu ZoI), Maquis, Dragons and Golden Chrysanthemums, particularly with the shared ZoI around the Rishiri-Lyonnais gate. Some cooperation on the western side or mutual disruption between the two ends are the options, although I expect BD to just shoot everyone as they always did (except I always thought they'd make good friends of the Maquis).
The Corsairs, although only being able to get onto the far side of Kusari, would be another possible force to spread the Republic forces out. The Outcasts would enjoy the madness and spread some more Cardi (alongside the GC).
Although currently the Colonials make good sense at the moment I am not sure how this Rebel RP will affect our future relations. We, along with Bretonia, still bear some animosity from our past wars so would not expend too many resources from our other ideals. I also see this as an "abandoning of the main fight" on the Exiles' part which might also be a problem. Both groups don't even have that many spare resources for another front or large supply contract.
Liberty has the resources, the motivation depends on what is decided at the time (again, the Rebel stuff might make a difference here).
Rheinland would be on the Republic side, particularly with their assistance in rebuilding the KNF fleet.
RE: Future of Kusari - Fluffyball - 07-25-2013
(07-23-2013, 02:16 AM)SummerMcLovin Wrote: As has been said, the Exiles ID will now include Kyushu in their ZoI and I believe their battleships will move to Roussillon and Tau-29.
They'll have open Farmers Alliance support, discreet Samura support, and the Hogosha could and probably will play both sides for the most power and profit out to the end of it.
The Council could very well get involved as their new hosts (which would be a nice new thing for them to do). Wildcards in the fight might be the Brigands (who also have Kyushu ZoI), Maquis, Dragons and Golden Chrysanthemums, particularly with the shared ZoI around the Rishiri-Lyonnais gate. Some cooperation on the western side or mutual disruption between the two ends are the options, although I expect BD to just shoot everyone as they always did (except I always thought they'd make good friends of the Maquis).
The Corsairs, although only being able to get onto the far side of Kusari, would be another possible force to spread the Republic forces out. The Outcasts would enjoy the madness and spread some more Cardi (alongside the GC).
Although currently the Colonials make good sense at the moment I am not sure how this Rebel RP will affect our future relations. We, along with Bretonia, still bear some animosity from our past wars so would not expend too many resources from our other ideals. I also see this as an "abandoning of the main fight" on the Exiles' part which might also be a problem. Both groups don't even have that many spare resources for another front or large supply contract.
Liberty has the resources, the motivation depends on what is decided at the time (again, the Rebel stuff might make a difference here).
Rheinland would be on the Republic side, particularly with their assistance in rebuilding the KNF fleet.
You think the same way as I do, it looks like.
However, I think there would be a major breakout with keiretsu, because as far as I remember, Samura and Kishiro never liked each other (with Samura having Hogosha as their boys for less legal work...). A cold corporate war turning into the hot one?
We must also consider that Liberty and Kusari are rather unfriendly with each other, so there may be an uneasy tension between Kusari and Liberty on the border systems between them.