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RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Shizune - 10-07-2013
You know; no one is going to say it so I guess I will; NOTHING ABOUT THE ZONER'S WILL CHANGE BECAUSE ONE ONE MAN
Over and over I hear people saying they will but it takes TEAM WORK to change the Zoner's and one person one change it
OSI Is fine with it
the CoF's are fine with it
TAZ are happy with it
Phoenix gladly accepted it
Runners are going with it
the Zoner nation guard (or whatever they are called) are cool with it
And just because some people are mad with Zoner Lore does not mean its going to change.
Bottom Line here; this Threat is just another one to make people angered; and its working its way there; as I am seeing several chats on skype light up because how moronic this thread is
Bottom line; Unless the Zoner's do something that all Zoner's agree with; they won't change; bottom line; i believe this conversation is over.
edit as well:
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RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Kazinsal - 10-07-2013
The heck do the Hessians have to do with Zoners?
I'll answer that for you: Not a damn thing.
Your "valid points" are overshadowed by the fact the rest of your post is driven by moving the goalposts in a pretty poor attempt to disguise your OORP hate for everyone who doesn't want to cooperate for you (notably the Order).
This most recent post of yours contributes nothing of value to the topic -- which, in my personal opinion, doesn't merit existing at all, but I'll leave that for the rest of the team to decide.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Zen_Mechanics - 10-07-2013
Let's go back to school for a moment, if factions a,b represent <zoners> - RH - Gallia - Rogues - Xenos ( which are its original allies, no "order" there im afraid ) will be hostile to zoners, because factions a.b did "stuff" that pissed many kanzlers and monarchs - if that isn't the case* these "factions" represent only but themselves, am I right? Yet they represent all zoners ? Im sorry but this whole " this works this doesn't so lets ignore it" doesn't work. That's like saying I accept stoning from the bible, but I don't accept sunday prayers, if you take the whole package you will have to take the WHOLE package, so before any of these factions claim to present me, or the others - they should either "merge" or do a little "attitude fixing towards other factions".
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Thexare - 10-07-2013
(10-07-2013, 11:22 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Yes it is,
No, it isn't. I've asked the people that actually have the power to make the decision - which thankfully for everyone, do not include you. And it's quite consistent with standing policy of at least five years.
Quote:ignoring my valid points
Omicron and Divine already did an adequate job dissecting your post and demonstrating that you have no valid points.
Oh, and if you're going to cry about dogmatic insistence on anything, check a mirror first.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Zen_Mechanics - 10-07-2013
(10-07-2013, 11:30 PM)Thexare Wrote:(10-07-2013, 11:22 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Yes it is,
No, it isn't. I've asked the people that actually have the power to make the decision - which thankfully for everyone, do not include you. And it's quite consistent with standing policy of at least five years.
Quote:ignoring my valid points
Omicron and Divine already did an adequate job dissecting your post and demonstrating that you have no valid points.
Oh, and if you're going to cry about dogmatic insistence on anything, check a mirror first.
Just for you :
Let's go back to school for a moment, if factions a,b represent <zoners> - RH - Gallia - Rogues - Xenos ( which are its original allies, no "order" there im afraid ) will be hostile to zoners, because factions a.b did "stuff" that pissed many kanzlers and monarchs - if that isn't the case* these "factions" represent only but themselves, am I right? Yet they represent all zoners ? Im sorry but this whole " this works this doesn't so lets ignore it" doesn't work. That's like saying I accept stoning from the bible, but I don't accept sunday prayers, if you take the whole package you will have to take the WHOLE package, so before any of these factions claim to present me, or the others - they should either "merge" or do a little "attitude fixing towards other factions".
Please, open my eyes and tell me this isnt the case.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Thexare - 10-07-2013
Zoners are not and have never been a unified group. TAZ, OSI, and Phoenix represent the most powerful and respected groups of Zoners, that's it. The Council of Zoners in 4.84 wasn't exactly a unified body either, just a means by which every squabbling group and loudmouth indie could make their voices heard.
However, the problem you keep running into is the "respected" part of it. Your grasp of any faction's lore is suspect at best, and your insistence on trying to get other factions screwed over by the developers just because you don't like them has absolutely destroyed any credibility you may have once had. Consequently, any group you attempt to start while still acting like this will be doomed from the beginning and no change you push for will ever happen.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Daedric - 10-07-2013
(10-07-2013, 11:10 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Oh no, That was off topic really. I do my zoner "stuff" "seceretly" yet somehow It always manages to go "public" - a polite way of saying "forum-meta", which then used against my "project" - most of these "criminals" belong to ABC n D - and they are quiet annoying. Now, official factions as proposed by "Aazalot" do not in any way represent the zoners, they may well indeed control the aspects of it, but to reach from point b to point A - indie zoners, all your work is still ahead of you - and regretfully you'r doing pretty much a bad job. You see, official factions have responsibilites towards themselves and.. guess what, to indie zoners as well - Same principle woth the CoF which supports individual zoners, you on the other hand do not - you dont do anything because either you don't care, or simply because it poses no "threat" to you - and I believe you were one of the guys who have told me that actions have consequences, yet it only applies when "official factions" want it - so please, until you actually do the job you are supposed to do, don't say "everything" is perfect.
There are no rules saying an official faction has to represent the entire NPC faction they are derived from. None. There is a rule regarding official factions that attempt to represent the entire NPC faction they are derived from. Said rule doesn't apply to any of the official Zoner factions as none of them claim to represent the entire Zoner NPC faction. Do know the rules before you try to tell others they aren't following them.
(10-07-2013, 11:10 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Another edit :
Good example of "consequences" is RH's osi cast, yet it only applies to you - imagine what would have happend if it was towards all zoners, after you - you claim to represent it? - Seriously now, I nearly suggested this "cut" with that orginization because ( and I feel good using it ) - inrp, zoners would be outlaws ( in a sane world ).
Do point me to this 'claim' you're speaking of. The 'claim' OSI has made to represent all Zoners. I'd like to see it.
(10-07-2013, 11:10 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Quick edit : Zoner tech is exclusive, which means no one, including the imaginery "allies" should hold it - unless ofcourse its via ABCD, also - I don't know who said that, but Zoners have NO allies - claiming otherwise is.. outright stupid?
The only Zoner tech that is exclusive is the ZBT, 'Zoner Whale,' the rest is open access. Including the capitals. Doesn't mean other Zoners won't be a bit upset to see a Liberty Navy flying around in a Zoner Carrier though. This, of course, is per the rules. In role play, reality is that Zoner tech is rather grey. We've handed it out like candy before and restricted it in the extreme before.
As for the actual OP? You're speaking for your Zoner group, not any of the other Zoner groups. From what I can see in the Skype chats I'm a ghost in and on the forum - there is no reason to ditch the secret alliance with the Order. Cannot argue that tension is high with them (at least from my OSI character's viewpoint. I'm staring at you Mr. High Admiral that shot up an OSI guy). That, however, is the fun of role play. Nothing should be static and the instance I've refered to between OSI and the Order creates a chance for role play between OSI and the Order which isn't part of their normal interaction.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Kazinsal - 10-07-2013
(10-07-2013, 11:31 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Let's go back to school for a moment,Alright, let's start off with an ad hominem...
Quote:if factions a,b represent <zoners> - RH - Gallia - Rogues - Xenos ( which are its original allies, no "order" there im afraid ) will be hostile to zoners, because factions a.b did "stuff" that pissed many kanzlers and monarchs - if that isn't the case* these "factions" represent only but themselves, am I right?
The zoners had no "original allies" -- let's go back to the Vanilla infocard for them.
Code:
ALLIES:
None
ENEMIES:
None
Zoners are a diverse group of individuals who, for various reasons, have decided to live in the wild and unregulated systems outside of colonial control.Quote:Yet they represent all zoners ?
No one represents all zoners. That's why we have so many zoner factions and even more zoner indies.
Quote:Im sorry but this whole " this works this doesn't so lets ignore it" doesn't work.
You're the only one who's thinking the zoner-order relations isn't working.
Quote:That's like saying I accept stoning from the bible, but I don't accept sunday prayers, if you take the whole package you will have to take the WHOLE package,
Don't even get me started on that.
Quote:so before any of these factions claim to present me, or the others - they should either "merge" or do a little "attitude fixing towards other factions".
No zoner faction claims to represent all zoners. They represent their own group of zoners. Get that in your head.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Zen_Mechanics - 10-07-2013
No no, let's talk "dugri" - ( pancakes? ) - there is no doubt that individual actions have immediate impact, but talknig in general does not, so my question is simple, at what point do one factions actions DO count and the others do not? because I find it hard to believe that only the things are the current official factions like are accepted and the others ( rightfuly should be accepted ) do not. That's to say, Gallia is rephacked to zoners to hostile, but RH does not.
RE: New Zoner Infocard | Conduct? - Daedric - 10-07-2013
(10-07-2013, 11:31 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Just for you :
Let's go back to school for a moment, if factions a,b represent <zoners> - RH - Gallia - Rogues - Xenos ( which are its original allies, no "order" there im afraid ) will be hostile to zoners, because factions a.b did "stuff" that pissed many kanzlers and monarchs - if that isn't the case* these "factions" represent only but themselves, am I right? Yet they represent all zoners ? Im sorry but this whole " this works this doesn't so lets ignore it" doesn't work. That's like saying I accept stoning from the bible, but I don't accept sunday prayers, if you take the whole package you will have to take the WHOLE package, so before any of these factions claim to present me, or the others - they should either "merge" or do a little "attitude fixing towards other factions".
Please, open my eyes and tell me this isnt the case.
Let's not talking in between the lines.
The faction's you're calling a and b are OSI and TAZ. OSI pissed off Rheinland and TAZ pissed off Gallia.
The thing you think you know, but you actually don't, is that neither OSI nor TAZ claim to represent all Zoners.
Your eyes. Opened they are.