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+------ Thread: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag (/showthread.php?tid=130047)
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Havok - 05-31-2015
Kanzler.
(Voted on by a majority of the Bundestag, infact.)
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Laura C. - 05-31-2015
(05-31-2015, 03:15 PM)Sturmwind Wrote: In any case, 4 Bundestag members are in favor and 1 against it (you). So far, your beloved democracy appears to be working perfectly. Treating it as a "coup" is unnecessary, we simply wish to establish clear roles within the confines of government leadership.Please tell me more about how 4 Bundestag members of 8 (7 factions + kanzler) makes majority and how you agreed on all of this over one night when 4 people weren´t even on skype when you were making this. By the way where this number comes from? All I saw on skype was that RM+BDM+Kanzler were in favour, ALG was against. Other four (RFP, DHC, Kruger, RS) weren´t there at all and didn´t have chance to voice their opinion. Yet you announced it already.
By the way, I think Kanzler technically even doesn´t have vote in Bundestag, we agreed on that some time ago. Can dig up on skype for it later.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Alley - 05-31-2015
(05-31-2015, 03:28 PM)SpaceTime Wrote: In what capacity is Havok part of the Bundestag by the way? He is not leading any official faction.
It's pretty funny, but not a lone case. Echo is part of the liberty gov but doesn't lead or is member of any liberty official faction. I'm sure there are a few others like this too. It's more a question of whether or not the person is useful.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - jammi - 05-31-2015
I think you all probably need to discuss this in private a bit more before endorsing things in public. From the sound of things, the majority of the involved factions don't actually support the changes. Or at the very least, there's enough confusion and dissent that announcing this now seems a bit premature.
(05-31-2015, 05:12 PM)Alley Wrote:(05-31-2015, 03:28 PM)SpaceTime Wrote: In what capacity is Havok part of the Bundestag by the way? He is not leading any official faction.
It's pretty funny, but not a lone case. Echo is part of the liberty gov but doesn't lead or is member of any liberty official faction. I'm sure there are a few others like this too. It's more a question of whether or not the person is useful.
So far as I know, that's how BretGov works these days as well. Marcus (ex-BPA lead) is RPing as the Prime Minister. Having a capable person who's not affiliated with any of the current factions but knows a lot about the House is really useful.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Laura C. - 05-31-2015
(05-31-2015, 05:47 PM)jammi Wrote: I think you all probably need to discuss this in private a bit more before endorsing things in public. From the sound of things, the majority of the involved factions don't actually support the changes. Or at the very least, there's enough confusion and dissent that announcing this now seems a bit premature.I guess people would discuss it, but as I mentioned above, it was made by three people within less than 24 hours while representatives of another four parties didn´t have chance to say a single word before it was posted as "finished thing".
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Karst - 05-31-2015
(05-31-2015, 05:47 PM)jammi Wrote: I think you all probably need to discuss this in private a bit more before endorsing things in public. From the sound of things, the majority of the involved factions don't actually support the changes. Or at the very least, there's enough confusion and dissent that announcing this now seems a bit premature.
That's the whole point - it was a decision made between the current RM rep and the former RM lead that appears to mostly profit RM.
They had no intention of discussing this, Nik simply logged his Kanzler account and posted it.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Sturmwind - 05-31-2015
I still don't see why we need to forumlance and Skypedrama simultaneously.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Alley - 05-31-2015
That's a problem you created yourselves by posting this too soon.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Sturmwind - 05-31-2015
I assumed Bundestag members were capable enough to realize that we have to deal with this on Skype instead of embarrassing our whole government on the forums. Oh well, I assume the feeling of martyrdom is stronger in some than common sense.
RE: [OORP] Changes in the Bundestag - Garrett Jax - 05-31-2015
Can I give you some helpful advice, Sturm? I've personally come to the realization that making unilateral decisions on matters is indeed an efficient way to get things done, however you rob yourself of a multitude of counsellors who would help you in making a more well rounded decision. There is no need to rush to a decision, and while bureaucracy may be frustrating to deal with, it makes for a happier group of people around you.