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RE: Dismay - Traxit - 06-30-2016 thyr ur spreading negativity with ur perfectly arguable statements and points!! PERMABAN! RE: Dismay - Apollon - 06-30-2016 I think Thyr summed it nicely. Nothing more to say. RE: Dismay - Laura C. - 06-30-2016 (06-30-2016, 02:47 PM)Ghostazarashi Wrote: I think Thyr summed it nicely. Nothing more to say.I agree. The way how the ban was executed created atmosphere where all people who dared to criticise staff can´t be sure if they are not on the list of "those who dodged the bullet this time". Especially when skype logs can be used against them (and so far it seems they can). Not to mention the genuine system where people got banned without previous warning (and funnily some admins claim the reason of ban is because "they didn´t changed their attitude" - of course they didn´t if nobody told them they should...) and others which will be supposedly banned next time without previous warning are "warned" by saying "you know who you are". Maybe I should submit player request with question if I am between those who "know who they are", because I simply don´t know if I am one of those who know who they are. Or with question if I appeared on the list after this post. After all, it is negative, it critisise the way the stuff act so I wouldn´t be suprised if someone would label it as "bad attitude", just because I am not accepting the attitude of "admins must had good reason to ban those players, so it must be good and justified decision and thus I support it" like some others do (despite they sometimes even admit they are surprised and have no idea why some names are on the banned list). RE: Dismay - Omi - 06-30-2016 This post is probably the second most disgusting wall of text related to this whole affair, second only to the initial ban notice itself. Every time something like this happens, some controversial decision (whether it was in my view a good thing, a bad thing, or something I don't care about), the same people always divide themselves into three camps:
Everyone who posted in front of @Thyrzul, barring @"Wulverine" and @Thunderer, by the looks of it - that means @Vendetta, @Reeves, @Petitioner, @"Caelumaresh", @Swallow, @sasapinjic , and @"Sombra Hookier" - you all fall into either camp one or camp two. Primarily the latter, actually, but like I said - you are still worthless non-contributors to the problem at hand. The solution to these problems is never to bury it and pretend it didn't happen; you are just perpetuating the same old cycle with your attitude of 'defusing' the situation. You're not the only ones (the vast majority of the community is, as far as I can see), so I hope that at least consoles you. It's good to be with people you agree with, after all, isn't it? What has always amazed me about Discovery - astounded me, even - is the colossal, total, and overwhelming apathy everybody here shows towards changes of any sort. Seriously - people love to harp on about how OUTRAGED the 'vocal minority' get about everything, which is to some extent true - but I think it's even more weird how much of a minority the vocal minority is here. Seriously, there are probably less than ten or so people who genuinely push against changes that aren't so far-reaching that they genuinely affect everyone - the rest of you seem content to just mulch on, day in day out, as the server slowly finds itself strangled by incompetent management. Even worse, as I said above, a sizable proportion of you aren't even content to just keep your head down and your voice unheard - no, you have to actively add it to the chorus of admin apologisers - those who trumpet a little 'call for reason' every time the greens put a foot wrong, like a bodyguard diving in front of an important dignitary. The fact remains that I am totally, utterly, and irreparably unconvinced that anyone - and I mean anyone - can legitimately argue that the recent permabans and the manner through which they were carried out was a good thing, or at all well handled. I am unconvinced that anyone can make a meaningful argument as to why the administration should not receive criticism related to the above, and I am unconvinced that anyone can make a meaningful argument as to why it's so trivial and unimportant that we should forget about it, get on with our lives, and allow similar debacles to brew up behind the scenes and spill over in the coming weeks and/or months. You can try, but I doubt I will be impressed or moved on this point. Therefore, it's my personal view that the staff should be allowed to speak - or not speak, as the case may be, since they haven't a leg to stand on - for themselves, without the constant, ever-changing many-faced shield that always crops up to safeguard them from criticism. On the subject of criticism, I couldn't help but note that the staff are once again playing the victim - in particular, Finn has resigned due to some alleged death threats he's received. I haven't seen the threats in question, but I have no doubt that I'm not being lied to when people tell me they're there - what I do take issue with, though, is this totally contrived and false attitude of outrage surrounding them. I want to state right off the bat that I do not support threatening people's lives in real life or over the internet for any reason whatsoever - BUT, that said, I want to remind people that the year is 2016 and that we are on the internet. I get told to get c.ancer and die at least twice a day from playing Overwatch - or that my immediate family should be tortured and assaulted, or any number of other hateful, keyboard-mashing expressions of white-hot anger. Do I cry about it? Do I pick up my phone and start calling the police, demanding these people be tracked down and brought to justice? No, I get on with my life. Sorry, but if you don't have a thick enough skin to the point where you genuinely get upset at people like these throwing vitriol at you (and there will always, always be people like this), then you aren't even remotely cut out to be a staff member here or anywhere else. In fact, you'd be better off disconnecting entirely from the web and living out your days offline, because this sure as hell isn't the only place on the Internet where hateful, mean-spirited people exist. Lastly, I want to sum up by saying that this drama should remain a drama for quite some time - it should be encouraged to take root and spread, because that's the only way this place is going to get any sort of change implemented. The whole manner by which those six people were permabanned almost silently and seemingly overnight is disgusting, appalling, and downright outrageous - and, in my opinion, anyone who would even think about arguing otherwise is barely worth the time it takes to listen to them. You cannot make a compelling argument in favour of what has happened - but then again, none of you are really bothering. All you're doing is issuing useless, unsubstantiated gestures of 'support' for the staff and the way things are currently run, for no reason other than to make yourselves feel good. Shame on you as a whole - your actions validate the constant, flagrant, and downright unacceptable manner in which the DiscoGC staff mismanage, mishandle, and outright mangle the running of this community. RE: Dismay - Cælumaresh - 06-30-2016 (06-30-2016, 02:32 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: [15:10:56] Thyr'zul - [C]: What concerns me the most are the mention of those "managed to dodge the bullet this time", the threat that they "may not dodge the next one" and the vague statement that "you know who you are". And besides that the repetition of how "negativity" is bad. For the record, im x RE: Dismay - Petitioner - 06-30-2016 (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: wordsSpecifically pointing me out here is what drew my ire, as I mentioned on Steam. I understand your frustration with the apparent willingness of some parts of the community to let terrible procedural irregularities such as the one earlier go entirely overlooked, and even encouraged, and I don't think I need to elaborate on why that's bad, because you and I are in agreement here. The thing is that calling people who are less abrasive than you are about the whole matter things like unproductive, brownnosing sycophants who contribute nothing to the community blah blah blah really doesn't help matters. You can say that I'm just being one of those sycophants (a word that I notice you're really fond of; it's a fun one, I give you that) but that doesn't change the fact that you and I should be on the same side here. You're doing nothing but alienating people who share your concerns by insisting that we attack the staff as people for what is clearly an -- albeit grossly -- misguided attempt to do what seemed right to them at the time. Acknowledging others can have good intentions while still doing bad things isn't sucking up, it's remembering the human. I'm sorry for the lack of formatting or any incoherencies in this post, I've been up for quite a while, and, in fact, am going to sleep now. Have a nice day! RE: Dismay - Sombs - 06-30-2016 Lovely. Whatever pinky talks about this time in annoyance once again: I'm glad some of those who said they would leave changed their mind. After all, most of this chaos happened in just one night. I hope more people get over the moment of madness and return to a calm downed community again. RE: Dismay - Ninja - 06-30-2016 (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: I have often observed that the most hate-filled posts are made in pink or rainbow-colored writing. I wonder if there's a deeper psychological reason, or if its just camouflage for the deep rooted hatred contained within. (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: Even the admins said it's a bad thing. They didn't do it because they think its a good thing, but that they are left with no other choice. You may spend more time reflecting on why that could be so, and less on making pink hate-filled posts. Maybe it has to do with the fact that there are people (among them some of those banned) who have clearly, more or less openly, and repeatedly made it their intent to remove anyone (and it has been scores and scores of people and factions) they don't like from what they consider to be "their turf" (meaning the server), and that the server population would undoubtedly be higher if they had not behaved in such a manner? (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: I bet you'd cry about it if the people actually had the ability to give you cancer. Here, they may not have the ability to kill you, but they have the ability to kill/mob you off the server, and to destroy everything that you have built. People don't have that ability on most other multiplayer servers. (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: It's not the only place where people get banned either. (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: Thank you for (again) voicing your disregard, disgust, and hatred towards anyone who doesn't share your opinion. I don't think banning them was a good move. But I can certainly agree that they were given little choice by at least few of the people (for example Lyth). Again, making your bile-filled posts over and over again isn't going to help. What will help is that you think about WHY he was banned, and how you can help to change that reason. He evolved from a kid who was casually playing and fun to be with into some kind of power-hungry destroy-all-opposition gang leader, with who it was impossible to reason with because of the weird discovery-logic that had somehow been installed into his brain. RE: Dismay - Shryke - 06-30-2016 (06-30-2016, 03:02 PM)Omicega Wrote: wall of text Sorry, your Overwatch comparison just doesn't work. You are playing that game with tens of thousands of people, you're statistically going to never run into them again, or at least very rarely. And if you do, you probably won't even remember them and have the ability to block them. Do you have the same in Disco? Nope. But by all means, go start making death threats at the administrators (or whatever the hell the people in charge want to call themselves) of Overwatch and then report on your experience. After all, if you're going to make comparisons at least make correct ones, although I can sincerely tell you they won't just shrug and go "oh well, internet." RE: Dismay - Omi - 06-30-2016 (06-30-2016, 04:47 PM)Ninja Wrote: [words] It'd be nice if I actually had a name to talk back to. Maybe I should make all my mouthy posts under an alt as well. Quote:Even the admins said it's a bad thing. They didn't do it because they think its a good thing, but that they are left with no other choice. Are you taking the piss? I'll humour you and ask you why you think the administrators would do something they think is a bad thing, bearing in mind that just because they profess to have not enjoyed doing it doesn't mean that they think it's harmful and/or something that shouldn't have happened - clearly, they'd say the exact opposite. Quote:[closing statement, mostly about how Lyth sucks] Oh, go away. I cannot believe you'd suggest that I'd be somehow 'helping' by trying to personally contact Lyth and work through some sort of shared attitude problems. You are right that I hold people whose opinions clash with mine on this matter in contempt, though; I think I made it more than clear that I wholeheartedly disagree with any sort of staff-apologetic or mealy-mouthed, line-straddling neutral stance on these glaring issues. Sorry, but I'm not under some sort of mandate to consider your stance legitimate. (06-30-2016, 05:07 PM)Shryke Wrote: Sorry, your Overwatch comparison just doesn't work. You are playing that game with tens of thousands of people, you're statistically going to never run into them again, or at least very rarely. And if you do, you probably won't even remember them and have the ability to block them. Do you have the same in Disco? Nope. Really, now? ![]() ![]() Sorry to disappoint you, but if you're determined to block someone out and stop listening to them in future, it's very, very simple to do so. I'm not sure where you gathered the idea that it wasn't from. Should anyone feel too hard-done by, harassed, or otherwise victimised by any other user, it's pretty damn simple to just shut them out and go back to your life. If you have any legitimate points to make, I'll be waiting. |