' Wrote:I have heard so much whinging about how the BHG is supposed to be played, I could puke blood. A lot of what you guys are proposing is so absurdly limiting of how the id can be played that it beggars belief. Do any of you actually play hunters? If not, why not? Honestly, where have you guys been? Sigma 13? Omicron Gamma? The rest of Sirius is a lot better and a lot different to those places.

Well ... its refreshing to know that BHG are in the limelight on this now and not pirates. Pirates are usually on the receiving end of whiners. Don't have a hunter but I do have a merc that does take on bounties. But I refuse to take on generics. And yes ... I explore all of Sirius.

Players have been sanctioned for attacking without bounties and breaking the terms of bounties. And now, you're suggesting that the lawful forces have to provide a list of the names of criminals within their jurisdiction. So, just because someone hasn't named, for example, every single pilot in a Corsair lunchbox who wanders into Cambridge orbit and shoots the place up, they get to continue to play without consequences. Sounds like piracy would be super-boring and unimaginative.

That's the point behind having a bounty on you. If you don't have a specific bounty on YOUR name ... kinda makes the rule meaningless doesn't it? Think about it. If everyone posts generic bounties ... then the bounty hunters would have no need whatsoever to even glance at the forums to determine if a bounty exists. By default they can make an assumption ... "well, if this guy doesn't have a bounty on him by name ... at least I can kill him for the generic bounty."

How did these pirates acquire their repuations and IDs? Peeling potatoes in a chip shop on Cambridge?

Read the Pirate ID ... it says we can trade as well. My pirate actually moves water, food and medicine among various friendly and allied bases. Kinda goes along with what you said about "how the ID can be played."

If you think you've been mistreated in game by a hunter, report him. It's that simple. That includes if you were the target of these "very bad" blanket bounties. How are they bad? They permit hunters to intercept pirates in certain places while using certain ships? They mean that when a pirate crosses a frontier, he can't be chased?

If I report a bounty hunter for killing me without a bounty, will said bounty hunter be sanctioned? My guess is "no" since there are so many generic bounties out there he can lie and claim he was hunting for one of them. He'd get away with it too since nearly every lawful faction has posted a generic bounty to loophole the rule.

I'm pretty sure most pirates would much prefer if we hunted using piranhas and our powers of persuasion. It just seems some people will never be happy with the BHG. They complain about capships. They complain about gunships. They complain about jurisdictional and contractual limitations being put on hunters. They complain when they get chased by a guy in a sea serpent. This all sounds like poor sportsmanship and, frankly, a lot of whining. How much of this debate is generated because people lose combats? Probably wouldn't find many threads popping up if people were killing hunters at every turn....which they can do...and there is no rule saying you can't juts randomly kill every BHG ID ship if you are an unlawful.

Don't take the pendulum to the extreme. Nobody is asking for the complete opposite extreme. We're just tired of the capwhore BHG that we've been experiencing. It doesn't take much to kill a gunboat. But the BH BC cuts through a gunboat like hot knife through butter. Tell me ... do you go deer hunting with a bazooka? Won't get much meat from your kill. And with such firepower ... in role play you'd have no evidence to bring back in order to collect the bounty. And the complaints you are listing here are the exact same type complaints traders have been making about pirates. Sportsmanship means everyone has fun. There's no sportsmanship in over-classing your opponent to the point your opponent cannot compete. At least the trader has a fighting chance.

As for the /renameme command, you might have noticed how most factionised hunters objected to the /setbounty command being introduced on the grounds that it would destroy the forum RP behind bounties.

Never heard of the /setbounty command ... so not sure what your argument is here.

' Wrote:Dark Oddity answered the question you posed.

DarkOddity posted after me ... right?

It's the individual players responsibility to role play his ship correctly, based on what he's in and what he's supposed to be doing. If the PERSON is playing the BH correctly, then it's all good. If the PERSON is playing the pirate correctly, again, it's all good. (Just ask Kate.Donnely with the Molly's - as the CO of the S/D-Surma, I've had several fun encounters with her, some of which have ended in pew-pew and some which have not. We enjoy the RP and banter back and forth.)

True ... but apparently it doesn't matter what a pirate does ... he's always told he's OORP. Let me know what you think of your encounter with my Black.Pearl. Have you ever encountered me? If not ... then you really cannot compare me to any other pirate ... can you?

I've had many interesting RP encounters out in the Gamma, Delta, and Kappa with both my BH and non-BH characters. And with a corsair character, I've also been on the receiving end of a gank attack, albeit by Outcasts and not hunters. The ship is irrelevant (other than survivability against NPC attacks). The player makes the difference.

Congrats ... but 90% gank attack I've encountered have been by hunters. The other 10% have been in Liberty. Liberty has gotten much better in recent days. [LN] has done a pretty good job. Bounty Hunters are the only group where 90% of those I've encountered have been in battle cruisers or battleships. Sorry ... but I've only meet a few hunters that I've considered good role players (those that are actually looking for a "hunt"). You guys are supposed to be hunters ... a good hunter will stalk his prey ... a good hunter will not go after a doe or a faun when he's got a buck tag. Track the buck and take him down. The hunt is far more "sportsmanlike" than just shooting at whatever happens along your path.

' Wrote:If I report a bounty hunter for killing me without a bounty, will said bounty hunter be sanctioned? My guess is "no" since there are so many generic bounties out there he can lie and claim he was hunting for one of them. He'd get away with it too since nearly every lawful faction has posted a generic bounty to loophole the rule.

' Wrote:Here's something to consider as well:

- Bretonia and Kusari are on unfriendly terms (on and off conflict on their borders with each other).

- Pirates who conduct their piracy against Kusari and do not bother Bretonian traders would likely be recognized by Bretonia as tolerable. These pirates ... in role play ... would not be bountied by Bretonia. But they would be bountied by Kusari. And of course ... BHG could not collect a Kusari bounty due to reps.

- Same would go with GMG and Rheinland. GMG are not friends of Rheinland ... at best they are "pink" with one another. Piracy on Rheinland traders in the Sigmas would likely cause the GMG to turn their eyes from these pirate's activities. However GMG are friendly with Kusari so piracy of a Kusari trader might draw attention from GMG.

- Bounties should be placed on unlawfuls based on their reps with those being pirated (as illustrated above). Generic bounties do not take these situations into account. Perhaps a better way to post a bounty would be if the pirate is actively pirating within your house. But if he's pirating your enemy ... turn the other way as if you are unaware of his presence or activities.

' Wrote:Listen folks ... I'm all for a good hunt ... being hunted by hunters and me hunting traders. I just don't want it cheapened by generic bounties. I pick and choose my targets. I don't take on every freighter, transport or liner that crosses my path. You pick and choose the one that's worth the most ... and you make exceptions. A doe and a faun in my book would be Zoners, Junkers, GMG (Kishira because of their rep with GMG) and other friendlies. I go after the bucks ... house traders and such. House traders are supporting oppressors. Because of them I must move water, food, medicine and other such commodities between the oppressed throughout Sirius. Are you guys catching on to my role play here? What one man calls a criminal another calls a freedom fighter. Think Robin Hood folks. If you wanna hunt me ... then place a bounty on me for something I actually do. But don't cheapen fun because you're too lazy to check the forums and compile a list for your day's hunt. Prep your battle field by doing a bit of research and conduct some intell. Then grab your gun and go on the hunt. But don't shoot a duck with a machine gun ... no sport in that.

Moved to Bounty Discussion thread

Quote:- Bounties should be placed on unlawfuls based on their reps with those being pirated (as illustrated above). Generic bounties do not take these situations into account. Perhaps a better way to post a bounty would be if the pirate is actively pirating within your house. But if he's pirating your enemy ... turn the other way as if you are unaware of his presence or activities.

' Wrote:It might be an idea to remove holders of independent pirate i.d.'s from certain bounties. That way, the authorities are targetting organised crime and members of known criminal gangs.

' Wrote:Do you have any idea how much time I use to keep a list of applicable bounties up-to date? It's much more work than actually hopping on the server and going RP in my pirate and possibly reporting it in the dump. Browsing through the list to see if it fits it takes time. Or have you ever taken a look at the posts Athenian makes to bounty boards? The amount of time he uses just to compose one good bounty claim. And how much background work any of the S/D puts in there, doing intel and such?