• ooRP hate and grudges
  
• Lack of basic English, grammar, and everything that entails
  
• Disregard for existing RP / ooRP motivation for inRP things
  
• Needless Edginess
  

• Character Development is a must for me
  
• Friends are a plus (even more so with vc)
  
• If I know there will be a balanced fight, I am much more inclined to join PvP.
  

• When it comes to inRP behaviour, nothing phases me provided it is believable / lore friendly.
  
• It's a plus when the person knows what they are doing and know how to advocate for fair play and prevent ooRP grudges.
  
• Additionally it's nice when the leader of said faction knows how to take feedback and also provide it without going overboard. The right ratio of being critical/self-aware of their actions.
  
• Lastly, it's a bonus when a faction leader governs their people in a way that allows an element of freedom while also being strict regarding certain interactions/factions/situations.
  

Oh my dear lord. Thank you for the great insights so far.

I've been reading and some clear themes popped up, but I will try not to jump to conclusions.

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(05-19-2018, 09:28 AM)Corpus13 Wrote: I'm always interested in interactions as long, as the person on the other side is interested as well.

I'm interested in you.

Joksies aside, I feel the same way regarding toxicity and rude behavior. I'm here to relax, have fun and interact with people - the point this gets reversed, and I have to step outside, I also feel like something is wrong. Same page, same page.

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Exo, Kaz, Ramke, Reddy points.

(05-19-2018, 09:54 AM)Exo the Plier Guy Wrote: My main OORP "red flags" for a faction would be an at-best adversarial attitude towards those who are Not One of Us. For example, if Member A says "check player list, there's someone to interact with", and then they bring overwhelming force, that's a clear-cut indicator that their RP is to push only their side of an increasingly lopsided narrative.

The other pet peeve I have is players/factions who seem to think that there is no partition between player and character. Sure, my terrorist plied his trade, but that's not because I was specifically gunning for you.

(05-19-2018, 10:07 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: I. I avoid factions composed of *phobic people and factions meant for capspam/gank.

(05-19-2018, 01:03 PM)Ramke Wrote: - Honestly, the playerbase of the faction - very often whenever you logged your experience can turn sour /very/ quick if you meet/interact with the wrong people. I'm personally really turned off when all I see is ego-boasting, less-than-tolerable attitude and a complete disregard for the other side. It's the reason I've never really joined the big/popular/pvp groups&factions

(05-19-2018, 01:34 PM)Reddy Wrote: - Unsportsman like behaviour. Rude comments. An interaction should be enjoyable for both parties.

This seems like a very common ground, unsurprisingly.

The "people factor" is something understandable weighty since it's the one thing you'll clearly have to deal with when playing with others. For this to be a trend in opinion, however, it probably means that bad experiences have more than been a thing on the past - which understandably suck and justify some not wanting to be in factions at all.

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(05-19-2018, 10:46 AM)Evo Wrote: I wouldn't really include Seps in the "unrightly" outlawed category because they openly support cardamine smuggling and piracy. And uh.. I've played underdogs for about 6 years so. But yes, I was a member of IND and enjoyed that mix of RP you talked about.

Weeeell thank you for the heads up. The cardamine part wasn't something I was aware of, I meant it as an exemple but granted my experience with them is not the biggest one.

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Sombra points, Laz adds.

(05-19-2018, 12:03 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: I. What puts you off in a faction? (iRP and ooRP)
Factions are limiting the inRP experience with the means they offer to communicate. I am highly against ooRP contacts via Skype or Discord, which is why I only have so many people in my Skype contacts and don't even bother with other platforms. I do enjoy inRP groupchats, however you rarely find a faction that does that. I want to interact with the characters, not with the people behind the characters, simply because they are way less interesting to me, and mostly disappointing the better you know them. If a characters says something bad or dumb, you can simply deal with it as inRP action. If a person of this community says something bad or dumb, you're dealing with someone you accuse of being an idiot. Nobody likes dealing with idiots.

(05-19-2018, 12:03 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: As mentioned by other people already, the faction mentality is quite strong. People tend to take their faction as the most important thing in Discovery and some rather prefer to display the evil traits of their faction not for the RP but because it is a good excuse to be a dick to other people ooRP.

(05-19-2018, 12:03 PM)Sombra Hookier Wrote: I highly despise most Official Faction Leaders because of their attitude. Some of them have been corrupted by the title they inherited. I expect OFLs to lead their factions inRP and ooRP, not to pretend they have a say about NPC assets to jerk off to, make stupid power comparisons and the worst: Trying to lobby everything via forum or backroom deals with greens and yellows via Skype.

(05-19-2018, 01:56 PM)Laz Wrote:

• Additionally it's nice when the leader of said faction knows how to take feedback and also provide it without going overboard. The right ratio of being critical/self-aware of their actions.
  
• Lastly, it's a bonus when a faction leader governs their people in a way that allows an element of freedom while also being strict regarding certain interactions/factions/situations.

Whew, awesome answer and exactly the kind of depth I dreamed of!

I'm fully on board with the part regarding iRP chat. Ideally, I wouldn't mind reaching the people behind the characters - had I removed the risk of people being people. That said, the more iRP talk I get the chance to participate, the better. Such group chats is something I truly desire - and miss. I even asked if disco discord server had a such thing one of these days.

The whole deal with RP excuses to be Jerks is something I had to deal with in P&P RPG groups on the past and it's something I dread. Playing as the "Protagonist of Discovery", as someone put on a thread recently, applies. Also, you and Laz put forth very similar ideas regarding leadership and is something I agree with.

Once again, this being a common topic raises some red flags and is certainly something I'll keep my head around with. Thanks.

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(05-19-2018, 01:20 PM)NieRdackel Wrote: RP with members. RP with allies. RP with enemies. RP overall, PvP aspect as a result is fine, not necessary (but still fun). Oh and also piracy, for some reason it never lost its magic to me, so I sometimes yearn for raids and lockdowns.

This is always something I like to read.

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(05-19-2018, 01:26 PM)Karlotta Wrote: Some factions (not all) pretty much made crappy behavior towards the indies of same affiliation mandatory and I didnt join or left because of that. Many of their members used alt accounts to power game. Also systematic abuse of faction rights by some factions. What they called "keeping things fair" was mostly keeping things unfair for the cross-faction out-group and the odds unfairly stacked in favor of the cross-faction in-group. The factions that don't engage in this often get attacked and smeared on the forum for it. Faction members tend to act as a mob, and are more concerned with what their group thinks than with what is true, which makes rational discussion near impossible. A big problem not only in factions, but with most groups in disco.

Fair points, specially the ones regarding indies. While something I have not experienced first hand, I can at least see it as plausible seeing how some RP's are structured.

I'm not sure I got what you meant by iRP // ooRP mix, however, but if it was either regarding the term "politically laid-back", as someone already asked, or the "no-drama" part, let me at least try and clarify. By "politically laid-back" I meant by dancing inside house rules while still working inside them. The latter part was regarding player stance - no toxic behavior, which flows both iRP and ooRP ways.

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Laz points.

(05-19-2018, 01:56 PM)Laz Wrote: I. What puts you off in a faction? (iRP and ooRP)

• ooRP hate and grudges
  
• Lack of basic English, grammar, and everything that entails
  
• Disregard for existing RP / ooRP motivation for inRP things
  
• Needless Edginess

(05-19-2018, 01:56 PM)Laz Wrote:

• It's a plus when the person knows what they are doing and know how to advocate for fair play and prevent ooRP grudges.
  
• Additionally it's nice when the leader of said faction knows how to take feedback and also provide it without going overboard. The right ratio of being critical/self-aware of their actions.
  
• Lastly, it's a bonus when a faction leader governs their people in a way that allows an element of freedom while also being strict regarding certain interactions/factions/situations.

Thanks for the structured answer! These points hit home for me.

OoRP hate, disregard for RP and edginess is something experienced people seem to have common feelings about, which is great and definitely something to be wary. The English/grammar part, however, is something I keep looking out for - this by far my main language, but the sentiment is something I completely agree with.

I already mentioned in Sombra's, but I also consider of primordial importance some of the points you raised - fair play, self-awareness, freedom. Hm hum.

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I'll be concluding thoughts as they seem to pop up. Thank you for your participation on this.

• What puts you off in a faction? (iRP and ooRP)
  
  
  Lack of a RP direction. Factions that aren't doing anything in game to achieve a long term goal.
  It's okay to have it in your faction write-up, but if the only consequences of your factions ultimate goal are "shoot reds", it's kinda of a weak RP to me to get into.
  
  
• What makes you log and long for faction interaction? (iRP and ooRP)
  
  
  Ether active allies to contact and develop RP with, or active enemies to fight, and develop RP with.
  
  
• Specifically, would you care to interact, support or play in a faction that specifically goes for supplying underdogs with at least an inch of morality? (That is, no slavery, no carda and stuff of that sort.)
  
  
  You want to start a trading company that supplies outlaws, but without using the contraband commodities that those factions provide? (pretty much the only reason for trading with them).
  
  I don't mind trading in game, I like to chat with people as I go by, but the reason I log my trader is to make cash, and make it reasonably efficiently within RP. I'm flying a passenger liner right now (25mil/20-30mins) and it takes ages to go through lanes. I'll say hi to anyone while i'm slowly strafing myself aligned, but i'm lucky if I get more than two lines of dialog out of them unless they want money.
  
  I'd ask yourself who you imagine yourself RP-ing with and then log on and see if they're online now. There isn't any Dragons to RP with, because KNF don't randomly patrol. Same can be said of most separatist factions.
  
  As for your other point. I really don't believe any faction starts with a "Drama Policy". What are you going to do if there is drama? if someone wants to RP their character unacceptably different to what you had in mind? by enforcing the "No-Drama Policy", you cause drama, at least for one person, if not more.

(05-21-2018, 04:01 PM)Belco Wrote: Lack of a RP direction. Factions that aren't doing anything in game to achieve a long term goal.
It's okay to have it in your faction write-up, but if the only consequences of your factions ultimate goal are "shoot reds", it's kinda of a weak RP to me to get into.

(05-21-2018, 04:01 PM)Belco Wrote: Ether active allies to contact and develop RP with, or active enemies to fight, and develop RP with.

(05-21-2018, 04:01 PM)Belco Wrote: You want to start a trading company that supplies outlaws, but without using the contraband commodities that those factions provide? (pretty much the only reason for trading with them).

I don't mind trading in game, I like to chat with people as I go by, but the reason I log my trader is to make cash, and make it reasonably efficiently within RP. I'm flying a passenger liner right now (25mil/20-30mins) and it takes ages to go through lanes. I'll say hi to anyone while i'm slowly strafing myself aligned, but i'm lucky if I get more than two lines of dialog out of them unless they want money.

(05-21-2018, 04:01 PM)Belco Wrote: As for your other point. I really don't believe any faction starts with a "Drama Policy". What are you going to do if there is drama? if someone wants to RP their character unacceptably different to what you had in mind? by enforcing the "No-Drama Policy", you cause drama, at least for one person, if not more.

Factions are a turn off because they don't have enough people to interact with. I personally think they never began with anyone to interact with.
People need to look at factions in pairs(at least) and spend as much time developing their enemies as they do their own. No one "wins" from you having 5 times the members of the other side and showing up with 6 more caps then them. Both factions just get tired of wining or losing, and the faction position changes when the developers say so, regardless of your epic cap victory.

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(05-23-2018, 09:32 AM)Tænì Wrote: - Factions that don't have a place in the ecosystem; there needs to be an obvous niche to a group which isn't already filled by another group.

- I feel like the 'ethical unlawful' thing has been done quite extensively; almost to death, actually. I'd be highly interested to see a faction of slavers. Amoral evil is usually more interesting than misunderstood good. In addition, there's no active slaver faction right now, yet slaves are a huge part of Sirius's ecosystem.

(05-23-2018, 01:37 PM)Lythrilux Wrote: - One thing I certainly do not like is mary-sue-esque or special snowflake RP where a faction constructs itself on the principles of being self-inserts that are the best/coolest at everything whilst having no visible flaws or weaknesses. It's not very believable and doesn't feel like it fits into the in-game universe - Freelancer is built around flaws and stereotypes. Otherwise, people should stretch out and play the game from as many perspectives as possible I think. It'd help the community come to a better understanding of itself.

- OoRP? Leadership that doesn't seize it's full potential or/and is lazy, or factions that think they're above the community and don't really contribute to the roleplay/server environment outside of their own little spheres.

- These days I feel like the quality and frequency of 'wordy' roleplay interactions has dropped, so when I do log in it's usually for PvP which I can still find fun now and again.