Quote:A group of soldiers with interests in science decided to form The Institute

(09-30-2019, 01:50 PM)Sicicega Wrote: No one is pointing this out, so I guess I will have to. I don't know, I can't get rid of a feeling that IRMM is having an identity crisis.
- It was reallized only later that having a pure R&D is not going to work with the amount of players Disco has.

At one hand you just to be Outcast R&D division. And word institute in the faction name is capitalizing on it.

Then you are trying to take 101st concepts and basically RPing their things of claiming 85/Phi. It did make sense with Ghosts because Guard systems back then were a thing. How does it make sense now, I don't even know. Also claiming that the Ghosts are 'vanished' in your writeup, despite them being around not so long ago. Which is a poor way to handle things, don't you think? But even if so, 101st was RPing an elite military squadron that has little to do with the research institutes.
- At the time of the creation, 101st was dead for a long time only to resurface again a bit later. And yes, we'd like to become more like 101st.

And with all that you end up handling things in-game with indie Outcast/Crimson Cross approach of massing caps. From what I've seen, you in-game RP and most of the comms are barely reflecting your scientific and 101st-Esque mix that is quite weird already. And then you are suddenly making INTEL roleplay as well.
- R&D would be boring by itself, and since we're Guards we've decided to incorporate more traits. Being an R&D faction is actually a good cover for Blackops or Intel gathering which helps our research.
- Then again, we prefer to keep things simple and clear to understand for people. Like Disco's Lore RP, You don't have specific images or formulas how things are made inRP. We instead are trying to get it a bit further than saying "Yes we have an Artifcial Quantum Singularity Drive"

You claim to condemn "lolwut" RP, but then you send memes from the faction account in RP comms. That's controversial, to say the least.
- Order barely logs in Delta and you can freely fly with MNS tag in their capital system, then they suddenly appear in Tau-37 with one line engagement lines about Nomad worshipppers just to shoot freelancers later. That is quality RP&Activity for a faction which is getting replaced by Velvet| Zoners
- @StDH is to be blamed for this. Since usually RP has to pass a vote before being posted.

It makes an impression of a writeup that was composed of the random pieces to make it look somewhat unique. And with that, then just by making probably the most questionable approach to the Outcast gameplay push it for officialdom. In the end, lore composed in this way looks conflicting within itself and you just over all things. With research institute suddenly holding one system, having a capital ship fleet, doing broad intel as well as being bloodlusty and hyper-aggressive. This controversy begins with the very fire lines like
- Zoners Ingenuus Reseach Group has a SRP Unique Hessian White battleship. With a "mining" Forwardgun.
- We're Outcasts, and as such we despise anyone who was not born on Malta or does not use Cardamine.

Quote:A group of soldiers with interests in science decided to form The Institute

I have a good imagination and I love fantasy things. But this goes a bit too far. We have those groups of soldiers founding research institutes every day, right? Just look around. I imagine I will be told that Cardamine is turning the Outcasts into all able superhumans, being great at everything at the same time. This point of view slightly comes from your writeup as well. But I honestly think that this point of view is a mary sue style approach and it has little to none lore backing. And soldiers founding institutes do not make a lot of sense otherwise.
- No we don't have them founding a R&D everyday. But we can have one today. or do we have to blindly follow everyone around like sheep?
- Soldiers don't have to be mindless drones used for one's goals, some of them can actually be smarter than devoted scientists.

Those are my concerns. Maybe I would not raise those if we had a shortage of the Outcast factions, but we certainly don't.
- Your concerns are valid, and we're continuing to smooth out the obvious plot-holes. Which is why we opened recruitment in order to hear more issues about the faction writeup and have more dedicated people to play with.

*coughs*

"if we had a shortage of the Outcast factions, but we certainly don't."
101st: dead
Legion Maltesa: dead
Cadiz Cartel: alive

That is 1 Outcast faction actually alive besides us.

(09-30-2019, 03:08 PM)Sicicega Wrote: 1. I respect you for admitting some flaws that you have. That's not something people on discovery usually do.
2. Well, we have factions like Oracles existing on nearly pure RP basis. Most of the time IRG had pure R&D approach for many years. Now saying that it's "boring" and "not going to work" with the current pop is weird. So I have my doubts about the initial intention of following R&D track fully. But I guess the word "R&D" in your writeup make faction look more "RP" and adds you officialdom points.
- Oracles are not -really- recognizable Outcasts and they're actually pursuing the goal of shooting something.
- Well, IRG has recently disbanded. But we're getting out of the topic here, which i brought.

3. I fail to see how problems with the late IRG is justifying making much more weird things in IRMM. Wouldn't it better to not repeat their mistakes rather than capitalizing on those and making things much worse with "hey look they did that too".
- Having an inRP fleet wouldn't hurt in this case since Cadiz Cartel are mostly Traders and Legion Maltesa has Stortas at the highest. (I apologize in advance if Legion has a BS)

4. "despise anyone who was not born on Malta or does not use Cardamine" and roaming caps on randoms with maniacal aggressive RP are kind of two different things.
- I have to apologize in advance to anyone i insult, but currently Malta lacks active good capital ship players.
- And how exactly would you describe our roaming?

5. You have a little bit of misconception how does science work. When it comes to a worldly-wisdom soldier can be 'smarter', but spending years and decades studying a specific discipline is something else. That's a life path, not a hobby.
- Not everything is black and white

6. I don't see how opened recruitment is fixing lore, but that's good I guess.
- More people means more fun but also people that will point out mistakes in the lore they follow. As they will have to read it at some point.

7. I appreciate your subjective assessments on who's dead and who's not. But it's not making it your approach towards other factions any better, like how you 'vanished' the Ghosts. Legion is facing some activity fall, but declaring them dead is just a poor attitude. Legion is having a strict and dedicated RP direction that it's holding for years. And well, I would prefer that over 'it's alive' Frankenstein that is built from 101st lore pieces among many other things.
- If a faction that does not appear for a whole year is not dead, then i don't know what is it.
- Fort Siloso siege took 8 days to complete. During this time, not a single time i know of has Legion Maltesa logged to help us. I know about two instances when i personally wasn't flying but that's it.
- This is not to discredit Legion Maltesa, but lately we've simply lacked the necessarry pvp skill to combat the numbers of our enemies.

And I don't care much who exactly did post that meme, it's just another thing in your writeup looks hypocritic for me and that's all.
- It was deleted in the end. But it was a mistake to post in the first place.

(09-30-2019, 04:12 PM)Maltese Military Research Inst Wrote: And I don't care much who exactly did post that meme, it's just another thing in your writeup looks hypocritic for me and that's all.
- It was deleted in the end. But it was a mistake to post in the first place.

A Meme

(08-30-2019, 09:30 PM)Maltese Military Research Inst Wrote: Subject: Comment from "AssLord69"

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"Maltese analysts expect the assault to be swift, as Basilica has no route of direct supply, leaving it vulnerable to whatever it is at mercy to." - We're literally not a nation with hundreds of years of experience in smuggling.



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I could try to insult you but I cannot top what nature has already done.

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(09-30-2019, 05:06 PM)Maltese Military Research Inst Wrote: Oh well, that was all intentional and we kinda agreed on it due to the amount of stuff that were complete and outright lies from RoM.

>Be RoM (Republic of Malta is a faction opposing current Malta)
>Have "Ranseur" blueprints and claim upgrading Hellfire Legion's "Perpetrator" Battleship (some sense would be usefull here)
>Keep posting as Maltese News Service (MNS)
>Keep being away from Malta yet reading the stuff comm'd to Malta
>Claim Basillica Infected
>Claim being ready to attack
>Have almost no population but several Battleships
>Stand against Cardamine
>Stand against Slavery
>Stand against Malta
>Have Corsairs