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RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - LaWey - 05-29-2020
Quote:Obey is not quite the right term for their relations. As you remember, The Coalition - is an alliance between Eastern Republic, Tigris Confederation and East Asian Federation nations. We are a part of Coalition themself. At current moment and timeline, we will act as part of Coalition. In our terms Coalition central goverment represents a East Asian Federation & Eastern Republic peoples. But not a Tigris Confederation. Tigris Confederation now known as Saracen Caliphate and we represents our people interests in deep allied cooperation with Sirius Coalition.
Current Sirius Coalition have nothing along with Sol confederative alliance in structure. There is no EAF/ER/TC distinction anymore. If you not under command of central goverment - its not what Coalition ID for. I mean, when guys plays Coalition ID, they should assume that they representing not just uncontrolled randoms gangs.
So, to use Coalition ID, you should obey, or play it look like that. Open nationalism, enforcing of semi-religious laws above Sirius Coalition's one will raise eyebrows of any Commissar.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - The Saracens - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 04:40 PM)Anton Okunev Wrote:Quote:Obey is not quite the right term for their relations. As you remember, The Coalition - is an alliance between Eastern Republic, Tigris Confederation and East Asian Federation nations. We are a part of Coalition themself. At current moment and timeline, we will act as part of Coalition. In our terms Coalition central goverment represents a East Asian Federation & Eastern Republic peoples. But not a Tigris Confederation. Tigris Confederation now known as Saracen Caliphate and we represents our people interests in deep allied cooperation with Sirius Coalition.
Current Sirius Coalition have nothing along with Sol confederative alliance in structure. There is no EAF/ER/TC distinction anymore. If you not under command of central goverment - its not what Coalition ID for. I mean, when guys plays Coalition ID, they should assume that they representing not just uncontrolled randoms gangs.
So, to use Coalition ID, you should obey, or play it look like that. Open nationalism, enforcing of semi-religious laws above Sirius Coalition's one will raise eyebrows of any Commissar.
Look to more diep into the Lore.
During the War of Sol, two blocs fought for complete control over the Sol System: the Alliance and the Coalition. The Coalition was composed of the communist nations of Russia, China, the Middle East, and Africa. For decades, constant fighting between the two factions ensued, with neither side gaining the upper hand for long.
Now, Look at Lore section on wiki:
Quote:For years, the Coalition knew of the Sleeper Ship project. The nations building the vessels had their crews infiltrated. Spies found the Hispania most easy to sneak aboard, although hundreds of others managed to slip onto the others, particularly the Rheinland. When the Hispania arrived in Sirius, a series of explosions nearly destroyed the craft.
1) By origin, precursor of Sirius Coalition is not all communists. In fact. Due to original Starlancer lore and enspired from that. Russia, China - communists, yep. Probably Afrika. But not the Middle East. (Look at my logo, that logo was taken from original Starlancer faction logo's)
2) That part of lore has a "space" for Coalition members not only from Hispana and Rheinland.
3)Due to our lore, Arabic peoples "help at the start" and have an agreement in prevention Civil War, after exodus Coalition agents into Omegas. (literally before creation of Sirius Coaliton) All of this events happens before Discovery timeline.
4)Nothing is prevent us to use CoalitionID, as well as nowhere on it written that who carrying CoalitionID - communist.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - Sabru - 05-29-2020
I'm honestly surprised the GMs havent nuked this yet for politics.
Aside from the fact that another coalition faction (especially one that doesnt seem like it'd answer to the central coalition govt) isnt needed, this faction idea is just so loaded out with politics, potential drama and shitstorms that i can only see this as some sort of nationalist, elitist group idea from (presumably) player(s) who could easily identify with something like this.
If you really need to peddle something like this, Sairs could may use the activity and diversity.
(05-29-2020, 04:59 PM)Saracen Caliphate Wrote: 1) By origin, precursor of Sirius Coalition is not all communists. In fact.1. origin freelancer lore, no. Disco and Coalition lore (which is the important one), effectively yes.
2) That part of lore has a "space" for Coalition members not only from Hispana and Rheinland.
3)Due to our lore, Arabic peoples "help at the start" and have an agreement in prevention Civil War, after exodus Coalition agents into Omegas. (literally before creation of Sirius Coaliton) All of this events happens before Discovery timeline.
4)Nothing is prevent us to use CoalitionID, as well as nowhere on it written that who carrying CoalitionID - communist.
2. There are characters from other houses, yes.
3. Your lore matters as much as the square root of jack shot. That's just something you made up, is non-canon and has no bearing on disco or the coalition.
4. Long established faction lore says that generally coalition is, to some extent or another, communist or socialist. You can use the ID, just expect to be shat on for stupid, political, nationalist ideas that dont fit into disco.
Addendum to point 3: You're basically saying "hurr durr, our lore says we existed before disco's lore timeline began thus we matter and dont need to follow the long existing player faction". That sort of self-serving wankery is not welcome here and will likely cop you a lot of flak from just about everybody
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - Shiki - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 04:40 PM)Anton Okunev Wrote:Quote:Obey is not quite the right term for their relations. As you remember, The Coalition - is an alliance between Eastern Republic, Tigris Confederation and East Asian Federation nations. We are a part of Coalition themself. At current moment and timeline, we will act as part of Coalition. In our terms Coalition central goverment represents a East Asian Federation & Eastern Republic peoples. But not a Tigris Confederation. Tigris Confederation now known as Saracen Caliphate and we represents our people interests in deep allied cooperation with Sirius Coalition.
Current Sirius Coalition have nothing along with Sol confederative alliance in structure. There is no EAF/ER/TC distinction anymore. If you not under command of central goverment - its not what Coalition ID for. I mean, when guys plays Coalition ID, they should assume that they representing not just uncontrolled randoms gangs.
So, to use Coalition ID, you should obey, or play it look like that. Open nationalism, enforcing of semi-religious laws above Sirius Coalition's one will raise eyebrows of any Commissar.
No, they don't have to. The coalition may or may not FR5 them if faction may go far. But there's no obligation for players to obey anyone.
Not that you can do anything from people playing the ID they see fit. Discovery is the wrong game for policing stuff unless you actually play the police ID, but then again it's not that kind of policing.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - The Saracens - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 04:59 PM)Sabru Wrote: I'm honestly surprised the GMs havent nuked this yet for politics.
fact that another coalition faction (especially one that doesnt seem like it'd answer to the central coalition govt) isnt needed
3. Your lore matters as much as the square root of jack shot. That's just something you made up, is non-canon and has no bearing on disco or the coalition.
Addendum to point 3: You're basically saying "hurr durr, our lore says we existed before disco's lore timeline began thus we matter and dont need to follow the long existing player faction". That sort of self-serving wankery is not welcome here and will likely cop you a lot of flak from just about everybody
Haters gonna hate. I din't tell that anywhere in that manner. And nothing to enforce us to follow the long existing player faction. Otherwise, why is there a few factions for Outcasts, Junkers and others like Federalists. Federalists should follow original and long existing player faction if we follow your logics. But they - nope.
Literally our lore and apperance is just "another story". Canon or no it's a hard question and depends on how we will look at this point. That is just an idea. If you don't like that - that does not means that is non-canon and should not appears.
"fact that another coalition faction (especially one that doesnt seem like it'd answer to the central coalition govt) isnt needed" - please tell that to Rheinland Federalists. Who has another gov. structure and other things, rise civil war and opposite current Rheinland gov.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - Kaze - 05-29-2020
Oh my.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - Karst - 05-29-2020
I had actually played around with the idea of an Arab/Berber flavored Corsair faction. Looks interesting, although I personally despise the Coalition as a lore entity and really wish you would go with some other background, such as Corsairs, independent pirates, or perhaps something more exotic like Gaians. That there are already no less than three Coalition-based official factions speaks a lot of the damage done by this non-vanilla lore monstrosity.
One bit of trivial feedback though: Put a link to your info page in your feedback page.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - The Saracens - 05-29-2020
(05-29-2020, 06:43 PM)Karst Wrote: I had actually played around with the idea of an Arab/Berber flavored Corsair faction. Looks interesting, although I personally despise the Coalition as a lore entity and really wish you would go with some other background, such as Corsairs, independent pirates, or perhaps something more exotic like Gaians. That there are already no less than three Coalition-based official factions speaks a lot of the damage done by this non-vanilla lore monstrosity.
One bit of trivial feedback though: Put a link to your info page in your feedback page.
Yeah, but mainly such lore monstrosity appears because everyone think (and play) Coalition as Communists. In roots the idea of Coalition inspired from Starlancer. Currently my lore is friendly to general Disco & FL + SL lore, requires some improvements. But keys are:
1)Coalition does not means communists. If Sirius Coalition it is well, but here is another things below.
2)Saracens are original part of Lore, and nothing to prevent their apperance the same way as Sirius Coalition.
3)Due to technical things Saracens are part of Sol Coalition before, so they will use technologies, ships, weaponry same & identical
Sirius Coalition.
4)Technically again, there is no any other ID that can uses Coalition ships and techs. But Saracens themself a part of Sol Coalition.
And yeah they are NOT Communists, Red Army like. They are not separatists or some kind. They are just different part of Sol Coalition. Plus game is currently exists a Coalition line of ships.
In fact i should work on the lore a litle bit more. But anyways there is the question without simple answer. Saracens are Coalition-like faction, successor to Tigris Confederation. It will looks a kinda strange if they would fly on Corsair/Gaians ships or pirate vessels, due to their origins and existance in game a Coalition line of ships.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - Karst - 05-29-2020
Oh, my dislike of the Coalition has nothing to do with ideology.
It's the faction and ID soaking up activity in the Omicrons, to a point that is detrimental to other factions in the area: Gaians have struggled finding purpose and activity, Mollys have essentially been non-existent, LWB were outright deleted, Corsairs are lacking in direction, Hessians are moving away from the Omegas, because the bloated, overplayed Coalition soaks up players and has been forcibly inserted into every existing faction dynamic in the region.
Nothing in the Omegas happens anymore that doesn't involve the Coalition, and the last thing we need is more of them.
RE: [SAR]Saracen Caliphate - Feedback & Suggestions - SnakeLancerHaven - 05-30-2020
dafu* whoever leads this, pls contact me.